InTheKnow wrote:Ok the season is over and Bottineau is the champ. So lets have some fun and create something to talk about. Lets play pick the State All Tournament team. Two of these six were selected to the all tournament team. But did they deserve the selection? Without doing some additional research to find out who they are make your selections off of the statistics. If you want to reason why you selected those two over the others feel free. I will post who each one was in a few days after everyone has a chance to make their selections and comments. Lets start the discussion. REMEMBER ONLY SELECT 2.
PTS REB Gms 2pt 3pt FGA FG% FT FTA FT% Off Def TREB TnOv Asst PF pts
A 7.7 7.3 3 ...7 2 20 45% 3 3 100% 7 15 22 5 8 13 23
B 9.7 7.0 3 ... 9 0 37 24% 11 15 73% 7 14 21 17 11 11 29
C 9.7 6.7 3 ... 10 0 46 22% 9 10 90% 6 14 20 4 1 11 29
D 9.7 9.7 3 ... 10 0 31 32% 9 11 82% 10 19 29 12 4 9 29
E 8.7 7.7 3 ... 9 0 19 47% 8 12 67% 7 16 23 8 1 7 26
F 8.7 3.7 3 ... 12 0 17 71% 2 9 22% 6 5 11 4 0 13 26
bballer2 wrote:InTheKnow wrote:Ok the season is over and Bottineau is the champ. So lets have some fun and create something to talk about. Lets play pick the State All Tournament team. Two of these six were selected to the all tournament team. But did they deserve the selection? Without doing some additional research to find out who they are make your selections off of the statistics. If you want to reason why you selected those two over the others feel free. I will post who each one was in a few days after everyone has a chance to make their selections and comments. Lets start the discussion. REMEMBER ONLY SELECT 2.
PTS REB Gms 2pt 3pt FGA FG% FT FTA FT% Off Def TREB TnOv Asst PF pts
A 7.7 7.3 3 ...7 2 20 45% 3 3 100% 7 15 22 5 8 13 23
B 9.7 7.0 3 ... 9 0 37 24% 11 15 73% 7 14 21 17 11 11 29
C 9.7 6.7 3 ... 10 0 46 22% 9 10 90% 6 14 20 4 1 11 29
D 9.7 9.7 3 ... 10 0 31 32% 9 11 82% 10 19 29 12 4 9 29
E 8.7 7.7 3 ... 9 0 19 47% 8 12 67% 7 16 23 8 1 7 26
F 8.7 3.7 3 ... 12 0 17 71% 2 9 22% 6 5 11 4 0 13 26
lol id play but i know all the stats already so i cant cheat.... i know which ones made it
Stromer wrote:Although you just can't look at stats to determine the all tourney team, if I had to base it on stats I would choose A & D. But since it isn't based on stats, whatever is proven here won't mean a thing to any conspiracy theories.
InTheKnow wrote:Stromer wrote:Although you just can't look at stats to determine the all tourney team, if I had to base it on stats I would choose A & D. But since it isn't based on stats, whatever is proven here won't mean a thing to any conspiracy theories.
No conspiracy theories. Just getting what everyone's take is. Yes there are things you cant tell from the stat sheet, however stats like turnover to assist ratio, shooting percentage, and rebounds tell how much of an asset or detractor they were to their team. They dont tell the whole story but they speak volumes.
bballer2 wrote:InTheKnow wrote:Stromer wrote:Although you just can't look at stats to determine the all tourney team, if I had to base it on stats I would choose A & D. But since it isn't based on stats, whatever is proven here won't mean a thing to any conspiracy theories.
No conspiracy theories. Just getting what everyone's take is. Yes there are things you cant tell from the stat sheet, however stats like turnover to assist ratio, shooting percentage, and rebounds tell how much of an asset or detractor they were to their team. They dont tell the whole story but they speak volumes.
one of the persons that made it i dint agree with so no... i didn't agree at all... but hey what do i know...
Y-not Daily wrote:I have two points I'd like to make...
1. I think one of the most important factors in selecting an all-tournament team is how successful the player's team was during the tournament. You can put up all kinds of great numbers in the sunshine bracket, but big deal. I would say generally, the two teams playing in the final should make up close to half of the all-tourney team and the players playing in consolation on Friday and Saturday would need to have outstanding numbers to make the team. You can compare numbers all you want, but if one of those six players was on the championship-winning or runner-up teams, they should be selected IMO.
2. They all seem pretty even to me, but none of them seem that outstanding... I mean, none of them are in double figures in scoring or rebounding... I don't see any standout numbers among the whole lot of them.
vballfan06 wrote:Really, let's not do this. I think this is juvenile and mean-spirited. For one, stats are too hard to use to judge a player's talent. Yes, like you said, shooting percentage, assists, and what-not, but at the same time, not all great passes turn into an assist, nor do great defensive plays turn into a steal or a block.
On top of that, when I played high school ball, I was named to many all tournament teams, and once or twice, was left off. You know where those awards are right now? Sitting in my garage in a box. And believe it or not, I'm really not that far out of high school. Why are they in the garage? Because it meant very little to me. The people that get worked up over all tournament teams are 99% of the time, parents.
So let it go. These kids had the experience of playing in a state tournament. They played on state-wide televison. Trust me, that's what they'll remember and cherish---not bitterness over not receiving a plaque saturday night.
And if you are a parent that started this, do your kid a favor and not make a big deal over this. That's why we have so many problems in team sports. All out parent jealousy.
Let it go.
sioux10 wrote:InTheKnow are you trying to say that A and D shoud've been on the all-tournament team or that they were on the all-tournament team and didn't deserve to be. Who do you think should've been on the all-tounament team instead?
vballfan06 wrote:Actually bud, I played college ball, at a JUCO...and when i was recruited no coaches ever brought up all tournament team selections into the conversation. Now I coach high school volleyball---and I've had a couple girls go on to play college ball, and same thing, never has a college coach asked about all tournament selections. College coaches want good kids, with a great work ethic. Think about how many all state players we've had in ND who were never recruited to play college ball (quite a few). Reason being, it means nothing to college coaches either. It doesn't work into the equation.
rep wrote:SDHoops wrote:Did Christine Miller make All-Tourney?
i'd have a hard time believing she didn't, though i don't remember off hand. i think she led the tournament in scoring?
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