Flip wrote:Let's say HCV girls are allowed in B do they have to appeal every year to stay in B? How would they get bumped back to the middle?
BasketballMind wrote:
Other question, if a school is smaller, but has a strong program year over year are they going to be asked to move up? Will a "success factor" similar to football be put in place?
RiverMiner99 wrote:So if Thompson makes it to the championship game, which is very likely, they will be moved up to AA next year?
RiverMiner99 wrote:So if Thompson makes it to the championship game, which is very likely, they will be moved up to AA next year?
packers21 wrote:RiverMiner99 wrote:So if Thompson makes it to the championship game, which is very likely, they will be moved up to AA next year?
No
Flip wrote:They could always appeal to be moved down.
RiverMiner99 wrote:So then they would be moved up next year if they make the championship game this year? Obviously depending on if they were to appeal, that appeal being denied. I don't see how their appeal would be accepted. If it were to be accepted why even have it in place.
This being said. I do not like moving teams up based on success. Often times the kids that create the success graduate and leave the kids with less talent that are returning to be forced up. In Thompson case, most of their talent is sophomores. If they were to appeal and be granted a stay in Class A what would be to purpose of even having the success factors in place.
Flip wrote:RiverMiner99 wrote:So then they would be moved up next year if they make the championship game this year? Obviously depending on if they were to appeal, that appeal being denied. I don't see how their appeal would be accepted. If it were to be accepted why even have it in place.
This being said. I do not like moving teams up based on success. Often times the kids that create the success graduate and leave the kids with less talent that are returning to be forced up. In Thompson case, most of their talent is sophomores. If they were to appeal and be granted a stay in Class A what would be to purpose of even having the success factors in place.
I don't know this for sure, but I think last year's points wouldn't be counted towards their total because they came in the B state tournament.
As far as a potential appeal. A good argument for them staying in the middle is they are one of the smallest schools in the middle.
WalkingStick wrote:"The tournament performance factor will be a three-year cumulative total of no less than six points per division"
Key statement being overlooked.
Thompson was Class B for 2021-2022, 2022-2023 seasons therefore their success points will not be used in addition to the 2023-2024 season as they are in a different division. Their Success points start now for their new division (Class A).
bk1990 wrote:WalkingStick wrote:"The tournament performance factor will be a three-year cumulative total of no less than six points per division"
Key statement being overlooked.
Thompson was Class B for 2021-2022, 2022-2023 seasons therefore their success points will not be used in addition to the 2023-2024 season as they are in a different division. Their Success points start now for their new division (Class A).
They guidelines detailed earlier don't say points start over due to start of 3 class, it just says starts from 21-22 season. I'm not a lawyer, but I would be led to believe the class you were and are now in doesn't matter. I wonder if this is a sneaky way of targeting a couple of the private schools, they have made state tourneys the last few years, with the new diluted 3 class, they make it again now they have to bump up. Why does it matter what current division someone is in? They say it goes back to 21-22, there were only 2 divisions
TommiesFan wrote:bk1990 wrote:WalkingStick wrote:"The tournament performance factor will be a three-year cumulative total of no less than six points per division"
Key statement being overlooked.
Thompson was Class B for 2021-2022, 2022-2023 seasons therefore their success points will not be used in addition to the 2023-2024 season as they are in a different division. Their Success points start now for their new division (Class A).
They guidelines detailed earlier don't say points start over due to start of 3 class, it just says starts from 21-22 season. I'm not a lawyer, but I would be led to believe the class you were and are now in doesn't matter. I wonder if this is a sneaky way of targeting a couple of the private schools, they have made state tourneys the last few years, with the new diluted 3 class, they make it again now they have to bump up. Why does it matter what current division someone is in? They say it goes back to 21-22, there were only 2 divisions
I believe the success points would start over for any team that got moved "up" a Division, which would include Thompson. Teams that stayed in their current division would have their success points counted since 2021/22.
And, I also have been told that it would be doubtful for a former Class B team (Thompson) to be moved up two divisions. Instead, this performance factor was designed for teams like Langdon (girls), Devils Lake (boys), etc, who DIDN'T get moved up, and might see continued success in their current division, and would thus be bumped up. For example, Langdon girls may move from "B" to "A", and Devils Lake boys may potentially move from "A" to "AA". But, to move a former Class B team (Thompson girls) to AA would likely not happen. I'm obviously biased, but Thompson with their 165 or 170 enrollment moving up to play the Fargos and Bismarcks of the State doesn't seem to pencil out. They already are in a division with schools up to 650 enrollment.
Either way, will be interesting to see how HCV girls' petition is handled. Definitely have struggled for the past several years, and you would think their situation is what the appeal process is designed to help.
Tommies Fan
bk1990 wrote:TommiesFan wrote:bk1990 wrote:WalkingStick wrote:"The tournament performance factor will be a three-year cumulative total of no less than six points per division"
Key statement being overlooked.
Thompson was Class B for 2021-2022, 2022-2023 seasons therefore their success points will not be used in addition to the 2023-2024 season as they are in a different division. Their Success points start now for their new division (Class A).
They guidelines detailed earlier don't say points start over due to start of 3 class, it just says starts from 21-22 season. I'm not a lawyer, but I would be led to believe the class you were and are now in doesn't matter. I wonder if this is a sneaky way of targeting a couple of the private schools, they have made state tourneys the last few years, with the new diluted 3 class, they make it again now they have to bump up. Why does it matter what current division someone is in? They say it goes back to 21-22, there were only 2 divisions
I believe the success points would start over for any team that got moved "up" a Division, which would include Thompson. Teams that stayed in their current division would have their success points counted since 2021/22.
And, I also have been told that it would be doubtful for a former Class B team (Thompson) to be moved up two divisions. Instead, this performance factor was designed for teams like Langdon (girls), Devils Lake (boys), etc, who DIDN'T get moved up, and might see continued success in their current division, and would thus be bumped up. For example, Langdon girls may move from "B" to "A", and Devils Lake boys may potentially move from "A" to "AA". But, to move a former Class B team (Thompson girls) to AA would likely not happen. I'm obviously biased, but Thompson with their 165 or 170 enrollment moving up to play the Fargos and Bismarcks of the State doesn't seem to pencil out. They already are in a division with schools up to 650 enrollment.
Either way, will be interesting to see how HCV girls' petition is handled. Definitely have struggled for the past several years, and you would think their situation is what the appeal process is designed to help.
Tommies Fan
That is the problem with the new guidelines. Did Thompson get moved up? All that really changed was the letter of the division they play in now. They don't have to play some smaller schools, and have some new schools in the new A from the old A.
If Devils Lake is successful the next few years and get moved up, now they are in AA and right back where they started and nothing has changed, back to the old problems
packers21 wrote:bk1990 wrote:TommiesFan wrote:bk1990 wrote:WalkingStick wrote:"The tournament performance factor will be a three-year cumulative total of no less than six points per division"
Key statement being overlooked.
Thompson was Class B for 2021-2022, 2022-2023 seasons therefore their success points will not be used in addition to the 2023-2024 season as they are in a different division. Their Success points start now for their new division (Class A).
They guidelines detailed earlier don't say points start over due to start of 3 class, it just says starts from 21-22 season. I'm not a lawyer, but I would be led to believe the class you were and are now in doesn't matter. I wonder if this is a sneaky way of targeting a couple of the private schools, they have made state tourneys the last few years, with the new diluted 3 class, they make it again now they have to bump up. Why does it matter what current division someone is in? They say it goes back to 21-22, there were only 2 divisions
I believe the success points would start over for any team that got moved "up" a Division, which would include Thompson. Teams that stayed in their current division would have their success points counted since 2021/22.
And, I also have been told that it would be doubtful for a former Class B team (Thompson) to be moved up two divisions. Instead, this performance factor was designed for teams like Langdon (girls), Devils Lake (boys), etc, who DIDN'T get moved up, and might see continued success in their current division, and would thus be bumped up. For example, Langdon girls may move from "B" to "A", and Devils Lake boys may potentially move from "A" to "AA". But, to move a former Class B team (Thompson girls) to AA would likely not happen. I'm obviously biased, but Thompson with their 165 or 170 enrollment moving up to play the Fargos and Bismarcks of the State doesn't seem to pencil out. They already are in a division with schools up to 650 enrollment.
Either way, will be interesting to see how HCV girls' petition is handled. Definitely have struggled for the past several years, and you would think their situation is what the appeal process is designed to help.
Tommies Fan
That is the problem with the new guidelines. Did Thompson get moved up? All that really changed was the letter of the division they play in now. They don't have to play some smaller schools, and have some new schools in the new A from the old A.
If Devils Lake is successful the next few years and get moved up, now they are in AA and right back where they started and nothing has changed, back to the old problems
That’s bc they never really fixed the problems in the first place buddy, ur “old problems” were just given to new teams. DL should be in the highest division.
ndlionsfan wrote:Also see that FWM girls, Carrington boys, and GF Central girls also submitted reclassification requests for the next meeting.
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