maddog1971 wrote:The 3 pointer is the great equalizer. It allows for the game to be higher scoring and faster pace. Teams that have 6'10 players can get beat by a 5'11 shooting guard. Also the game is quite a bit more physical then it was back with no 3 pointers. Kids push and bang away on post players and that was not ok back then. Kids would drive and get bumped they would go to the line. Now... that is a play on most of the time.
The Schwab wrote:If you get rid of the "3" games would be a lot lower scoring. You would see so many teams pack in a zone and not extend out to many shooters.
winner-within wrote:Talking with an 81 year old Grandma, that loves watching these Games, that are now being more frequently Streamed.....and she bought up the 3 point shot, she said they are doing way to much of it!
for the last few years I have had this feeling myself
if they Did away with the 3 pointer from the NBA down starting today, I personally believe Basketball would become more fun to watch and here is why...
lets say a real good Shooter in Class B can shoot 40% from behind the Arc, I would be willing to bet the same player could only shoot 30% on a 12-15 ft Jumper and only shoots about 60% from the free-throw line
why? because they spend an outrageous amount of their time practicing 3's
they say if you have an hour to practice Golf
10 mins Driver, 10 mins mid irons, and 40 mins putting
same should go for Basketball...practice the the High percentage game winning score multiplying shots!
how many times, have you seen, a team that needs only 2 to win the game, with less than 5 seconds left in the game come out of a time out, or come down the floor and fire up a 3? many many many...
I think of the Hillsboro FW's game a few years back (state final) when FW's is in the lead and one of the most prolific shooters (Fox) fires up a 3, with seconds left, to ice it and it doesn't fall...
down the court come the Boros and they knock down (ironically a 3) to win...
that happens way less than "it doesn't happen"
kick the ball back from in the lane to fire up a 3
dribble down the floor, the zone sags, fire up a 3 before one pass
one pass to the wing, fire up a 3
a 3 is the hardest shot to rebound, defensively and or offensively
and 1 out of 20 the shooter gets his own rebound off of shooting a 3
I was done with Ball the year before the 3 and it literally took at least 5 years after that before it was incorporated into the game...
even the (now 4th) leading scorer of all time, didn't shoot many threes, even though 4 years of his Career there was a 3 point line.....
the now 3rd leading scorer goes to the hole or shoots a nice jumper more than he sits out and strokes....
the rest of the top ten scorers were not 3 point specialists and many of the top ten didn't have the 3 available, including the far out front runner S.B.
its ruining a good Basketball game IMO
and talking about a Dunk or a Nice Post Move, or give and Go/Screen and Roll, the 3 is way less exciting
unless of course its to win the Game.......
Kurt Keplin, Perry WhiteOwl, many shooters throughout the State shot the long ball way before the 3
they called it "top of the key" or "corner shot" they took it when it was given but it still was a 2 pointer and you still had to play your Butt off to win the game, with more strategy and more hustle....
I think thats what the lady in her 80's was getting at.....just my 2 cent
Run4Fun2009 wrote:Yes there is more than 1 6'10" kid in the state...both in Region 1...oh and also 6'9" & 6'8 also in Region 1; not sure what's outside of R1 in this regard but yes...more than just 1.
you can still play D and have the 3 in play; there are teams out there that are successful at good inside & outside play.
It's an interesting argument but being from a school that likes the outside shot and does it well (most of the time); it does open up for better inside play as well if used correctly.
Faster Play is attributed to the shot clock more than the 3 point shot.
maddog1971 wrote:By most of the guys I see on this thread, most of us are old guys. I think way to many 3 pointers are takin. I will agree with you. I love nothing better than a good post game. But the fact that keep teams like Oak Grove in the game is the 3 ball.
Also back in the 80's or early 90's things were called quite a bit tighter. How many times a game was over the back called.... (I know not a real call) Now if you can jump and you go straight up and grab the ball or even reach over the top and not touch anybody... no fouls called. If someone put both hands in my back in the post... I was going to the line, If I jumped into someone and they jumped as well... I was going to the line. Now.. Play on..
I like the 3 ball.... and the shot clock... I say bring it down to 25 seconds....
The Schwab wrote:If we're making rule changes:
1. Get rid of the no charge circle
2. Go to "freedom of movement"
3. 30 second shot clock
4. No 10 second back court
5. No 5 second closely guarded.
The Schwab wrote:If we're making rule changes:
1. Get rid of the no charge circle
2. Go to "freedom of movement"
3. 30 second shot clock
4. No 10 second back court
5. No 5 second closely guarded.
Baller wrote:The Schwab wrote:If we're making rule changes:
1. Get rid of the no charge circle
2. Go to "freedom of movement"
3. 30 second shot clock
4. No 10 second back court
5. No 5 second closely guarded.
I really like the college rule of resetting the shot clock to 20 on an offensive rebound or foul in the front court too.
B Historian wrote:
The problem in ND Class B is that many teams don't have enough skilled shooters to execute the strategy of making the 3-point shot half of the offensive production. According to the numbers I have, this is the lowest scoring season in Class B since at least the 2004 season. Aesthetically many games are now painful to watch. Small school basketball used to be a great product but I feel the style of play is heading in the wrong direction.
B Historian wrote:The volume of 3-point shots per game in the NBA has doubled in the last decade and that trend has trickled all the way down to the HS level.
The problem in ND Class B is that many teams don't have enough skilled shooters to execute the strategy of making the 3-point shot half of the offensive production. According to the numbers I have, this is the lowest scoring season in Class B since at least the 2004 season. Aesthetically many games are now painful to watch. Small school basketball used to be a great product but I feel the style of play is heading in the wrong direction.
maddog1971 wrote:I think the fact that drive and get to the basket and post players get beat up quite a bit with no fouls called. Trust me I like the physical play and as long as they call it both ways... I am fine with that. But i think that is why you see good post players popping out and shooting the 3. They just want to get a shot off with getting pushed or hit. I love the the circle thing for charges. I also like the fact they let kids jump straight up and no foul.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:maddog1971 wrote:I think the fact that drive and get to the basket and post players get beat up quite a bit with no fouls called. Trust me I like the physical play and as long as they call it both ways... I am fine with that. But i think that is why you see good post players popping out and shooting the 3. They just want to get a shot off with getting pushed or hit. I love the the circle thing for charges. I also like the fact they let kids jump straight up and no foul.
Semi-circle is fine if every official knew the rules to it; charges can still be taken inside the semi-circle ONLY IF you are the primary defender OR along the baseline by any defender...it's baffling to hear some of the arguments by officials on this one.
Semi-circle is to stop the secondary defenders from planting too close to the hoop, in many cases eliminating some dangerous undercutting plays.
Also like to leave this here as well: https://www.quickscores.com/downloads/j ... etball.pdf
Run4Fun2009 wrote:maddog1971 wrote:I think the fact that drive and get to the basket and post players get beat up quite a bit with no fouls called. Trust me I like the physical play and as long as they call it both ways... I am fine with that. But i think that is why you see good post players popping out and shooting the 3. They just want to get a shot off with getting pushed or hit. I love the the circle thing for charges. I also like the fact they let kids jump straight up and no foul.
Semi-circle is fine if every official knew the rules to it; charges can still be taken inside the semi-circle ONLY IF you are the primary defender OR along the baseline by any defender...it's baffling to hear some of the arguments by officials on this one.
Semi-circle is to stop the secondary defenders from planting too close to the hoop, in many cases eliminating some dangerous undercutting plays.
Also like to leave this here as well: https://www.quickscores.com/downloads/j ... etball.pdf
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