NoIinTeam wrote:In most playoff systems you see the potential scenario of a possibly better team being excluded because of location or they didn't win their particular region or conference tourney. I have no problem with that. There will never be the perfect scenario. Many times you see a "cinderella" team advancing way further than expected. To me that adds so much excitement to any tourney ( state, NCAAs or whatever). Some times it takes a team a few games to gel and get hot come tourney time. You can't always judge teams by there record but maybe need to judge them by who is hot come tourney time.
lovwatchingsports wrote:Just saw this. The only things I see happing out of this would be about 10-15 teams drop and coop. Do not think that wpuld be good for ND basketball. The only other would be to have more classes so you can send 4 from each region. Otherwise things stay the same and that is why as they say "makes class B basketball great". do not know if I agree with that but do not punish other teams because your only second best in your region. as they say "sweet happens deal with it"
NDplayin wrote:I better say this before the games play out tonight so it doesn't take on the wrong appearance:
The 2013 North Dakota Class B Boys Basketball Tournament is a joke.
Why? Because 2 of the best 4 teams in the state were guaranteed to stay home before the season even started-- thanks to a pathetic broken system.
I'm sick of trying to fix the districts- districts aren't the problem in B. The problem is that some of the best 8 teams are excluded through no fault of their own.
Now, if one of the best 8 teams loses to one of the not best 8 teams... that's their fault- that's tournament basketball. But North Star, Four Winds, Beulah, and Trinity should be the four teams in the state semifinals and only two will make the tournament.
I don't like the push to stick with a sad system for the reason that "you shouldn't be able to lose a game and still move on." I think you shouldn't be able to be an average team who plays a region full of below average teams and still moves on. I'm more in a favor of a system that actually gives the best teams in the state a chance to get to the state tournament over a system that automatically excludes some of the best 8 teams.
Hinsa wrote:Playin - is your goal to get the best 8 teams in the state into the state tournament? I don't want to put words in your mouth.
State tournaments were never created to ensure the best 8 teams make it to state. The state tournament brings together the best teams from eight different geographical areas; thus the term "Region." And I'm OK with that. It creates an environment where there is some pride in how your area does in the state tournament. It guarantees that your area will have a representative each year. It does create inequities as you say - some good teams have to stay home. But I don't think the goal of high school is to ensure the best teams get to state, it's to get the best from each region together and have a game between my guys and your guys.
Bisonguy06 wrote:Playin's format does not guarantee that the best eight teams make it to the state tournament. It does not prevent the possibility that a loaded region would have quality teams forced to stay home. If the current system is 'broken,' this isn't a perfect 'fix.' We're merely re-shuffling the deck.
NDplayin wrote:Hinsa wrote:Playin - is your goal to get the best 8 teams in the state into the state tournament? I don't want to put words in your mouth.
State tournaments were never created to ensure the best 8 teams make it to state. The state tournament brings together the best teams from eight different geographical areas; thus the term "Region." And I'm OK with that. It creates an environment where there is some pride in how your area does in the state tournament. It guarantees that your area will have a representative each year. It does create inequities as you say - some good teams have to stay home. But I don't think the goal of high school is to ensure the best teams get to state, it's to get the best from each region together and have a game between my guys and your guys.
Hinsa... My goal is to get the best 8 teams to state as often as possible (not ever 100% possible- but we should work to get as close as we can). I disagree with you when you say that was never the goal. I think it was always the goal. Geography is one of many inhibitors to that goal- time is another one. We don't have the time in a season nor the money required to travel across the geography so that everyone can play everyone and we can guarantee the most successful 8 teams get to go... it's not feasible. Since perfection isn't feasible... we are looking for the system that comes as close as possible, while still being feasible, the getting the best 8 teams to the tournament.
old#63 wrote:Tough luck, Chuck. I've watch lots of great teams from Region 2 stay home for years. And now just because it's some other region's turn, "The system is broken". The system is fine. Play ball.
lovwatchingsports wrote:Can you pick the top 8 teams out of the 16 that are left? I do not think so.
ndlionsfan wrote:NDPlayin, if our system is truly broken and a "joke" please list all of the teams in the past 10 years that were the "second best" in state that did not make the state tournament because the best team in state was also in their region.
sportfanatic wrote:It seems this "Broken" topic started when NS and Beulah didn't win their region. You have to win your region to make it to state! Teams improve as the season progresses and I agree with old#63! Unfortunately every team has a bad night but consistency is the key and you have to win them all to get to state.
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