yosports wrote:MTfan4life wrote:Sounds like some pretty high quality class there. The coaches not notifying anyone is the cherry on top.
P.S. Athletic Directors pick referee pools. They don't get to pick certain referees. The coaches don't get to pick referees either. The A.D. simply picks a referee pool.[/quote
Coaches do not always check the locker room. They go in after the game, do their post game talk, then the kids shower. Do not assume the coaches were aware.
basketball9 wrote:yosports wrote:MTfan4life wrote:Sounds like some pretty high quality class there. The coaches not notifying anyone is the cherry on top.
P.S. Athletic Directors pick referee pools. They don't get to pick certain referees. The coaches don't get to pick referees either. The A.D. simply picks a referee pool.[/quote
Coaches do not always check the locker room. They go in after the game, do their post game talk, then the kids shower. Do not assume the coaches were aware.
if a coach doesn't look after his kids, is he doing his job? the coach is the leader of the team and needs to take responsibility for his team. the coach either knew about it and didn't say anything, or he was too ignorant to keep an eye on his own players.
in all of my experiences playing basketball the coach was always the last one to leave the locker room, and that's how it should be in my opinion.
brown wrote:It's actually a requirement for coaches to check the locker rooms to make sure everything is picked up before they leave. A coach should always be the last one out of the locker room.
yosports wrote:MTfan4life wrote:Sounds like some pretty high quality class there. The coaches not notifying anyone is the cherry on top.
P.S. Athletic Directors pick referee pools. They don't get to pick certain referees. The coaches don't get to pick referees either. The A.D. simply picks a referee pool.[/quote
Coaches do not always check the locker room. They go in after the game, do their post game talk, then the kids shower. Do not assume the coaches were aware.
T$$ wrote:yosports wrote:MTfan4life wrote:Sounds like some pretty high quality class there. The coaches not notifying anyone is the cherry on top.
P.S. Athletic Directors pick referee pools. They don't get to pick certain referees. The coaches don't get to pick referees either. The A.D. simply picks a referee pool.[/quote
Coaches do not always check the locker room. They go in after the game, do their post game talk, then the kids shower. Do not assume the coaches were aware.
You are wrong about this. Coaches and ADs pick who they want to ref. Each school votes on the post season.
baseballdad wrote:I think a 1 game suspention and a 1/2 game suspension is a complete joke. I can almost guarrentee you that if these individuals and maybe the entire GFRR team were not allowed to play in the EDC and state tournament that things like this would not happen in the future. There should be criminal charges filed against people that do diliberate damage to others people property. We place way too much emphasis on winning rather than teaching these young men life lessons, respect and team work.
If these were accidents why wouldn't you tell someone that it happened this goes for both the players and the people resposible for the players? If this is what high school sports are coming to winning is all that matters that you are above everyone else including the law then we need to reevaluate why we have them.
T$$ wrote:yosports wrote:MTfan4life wrote:Sounds like some pretty high quality class there. The coaches not notifying anyone is the cherry on top.
P.S. Athletic Directors pick referee pools. They don't get to pick certain referees. The coaches don't get to pick referees either. The A.D. simply picks a referee pool.[/quote
Coaches do not always check the locker room. They go in after the game, do their post game talk, then the kids shower. Do not assume the coaches were aware.
You are wrong about this. Coaches and ADs pick who they want to ref. Each school votes on the post season.
yosports wrote:Some of you are referring to post season and some of you to the regular season. In Grand Forks, the Valley Officials Association lines up the refs for regular season games. Sometimes a ref can be "blackballed" by coaches but coaches do not pick refs. At tournament time the coaches can select who they would like to ref the games but is is not decided by the coaches. In Class A and Class B schools around the state it varies how it is done but overall, the coaches do not pick the refs.
fastbreak wrote:I agree with baseballdad. This is no penalty at all. To yosports, they are criminals. Maybe not convicted, but vandalism is a crime. Paying damages should be in addition to the penalty, not instead of. NDHSAA used to have minimum penalties. RR obviously isn't having to follow them. I've lost respect for the coaches and administration at Red River.
fastbreak wrote:I agree with baseballdad. This is no penalty at all. To yosports, they are criminals. Maybe not convicted, but vandalism is a crime. Paying damages should be in addition to the penalty, not instead of. NDHSAA used to have minimum penalties. RR obviously isn't having to follow them. I've lost respect for the coaches and administration at Red River.
yosports wrote:Fastbreak, they ARE paying for the damage and also serving the game or 1/2 game suspension. The boys also wrote some letters of apology to the school, AD, etc. I have never heard of a 1/2 game suspension and think that is kind of weird but that is what they are doing. The one player admitted to it right away is what I had heard. . . that is just what I heard from a very reliable source.--and so he got a 1/2 game suspension rather than a full game suspension.
yosports wrote:Remember that these are just teenage boys --not adults-- and so when under 18 I don't think they need to be labeled criminals and sent to jail when there is a teachable moment. I expect the same things from my kids and my students. . . fix your mistake if possible (and they are fixing it. . .), make apologies, and move on. Everyone makes mistakes --especially in the heat of the moment in an emotional setting.
yosports wrote:And the punishment does not have to do with their record or any of that. They would have been punished the same with a winning season or a losing season. It seems to me people from other cities are JEALOUS Of their success and are just looking for reasons to kick them out of the EDC tournament. And by the way. . . RRHS does go by the NDHSAA rules. They have to follow those rules or the whole team
WOULD be disqualified. And usually, in my experience, I have noticed that they enforce them in the strictest way possible.
Maybe don't judge until you have all the facts.
yosports wrote:Don't speed on the way home tonight. That is breaking the law.
WHS94 wrote:yosports wrote:Fastbreak, they ARE paying for the damage and also serving the game or 1/2 game suspension. The boys also wrote some letters of apology to the school, AD, etc. I have never heard of a 1/2 game suspension and think that is kind of weird but that is what they are doing. The one player admitted to it right away is what I had heard. . . that is just what I heard from a very reliable source.--and so he got a 1/2 game suspension rather than a full game suspension.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I heard, the kid that got a half game suspension "accidentally" broke a light while swinging his backpack on. I realize that hes probably a tall guy, but REALLY? Accidentally?? That kind of stuff does not happen on accident.
I also find it hard to believe that he "admitted to it right away." If he truly did confess right away (which would mean while the team was still in Wahp) then that would mean that the coach really did know about the whole situation, which doesn't seem to be the case. What's much easier to believe is that he confessed when they got back home after the whole situation started to blow up in their faces.yosports wrote:Remember that these are just teenage boys --not adults-- and so when under 18 I don't think they need to be labeled criminals and sent to jail when there is a teachable moment. I expect the same things from my kids and my students. . . fix your mistake if possible (and they are fixing it. . .), make apologies, and move on. Everyone makes mistakes --especially in the heat of the moment in an emotional setting.
They are high school juniors and seniors, not some little Innocent children. I can only speak for myself here, but by that age they should be able to make mature decisions. I realize that everyone makes mistakes, we're all human, its expected. But when people do screw up, its also expected that they pay the consequences and personally (and i know this isn't just my opinion, many people agree) i think the current punishment is a joke. No one is saying that they should go to jail, so i dont know where you came up with that one, but it should be more than what it currently is.
I agree with you that this is a teachable moment, but this current punishment is a slap on the wrist. The one game that this is actually going to effect is against North (the lowest seed going into EDC, without their best player, Syverson). If you really want to teach them a lesson, then give them an actual punishment.yosports wrote:And the punishment does not have to do with their record or any of that. They would have been punished the same with a winning season or a losing season. It seems to me people from other cities are JEALOUS Of their success and are just looking for reasons to kick them out of the EDC tournament. And by the way. . . RRHS does go by the NDHSAA rules. They have to follow those rules or the whole team
WOULD be disqualified. And usually, in my experience, I have noticed that they enforce them in the strictest way possible.
Maybe don't judge until you have all the facts.
Debatable. You cannot say either way what would happen if they had a different record. Nobody can. Just given the circumstances, that is what people are going to think. You cant really do anything about it. As for myself, i am not jealous and even if other people are i dont think thats the reason why they want a steeper punishment. They want more because they realize what little is being done and they dont think that is right.yosports wrote:Don't speed on the way home tonight. That is breaking the law.
No need to try and get smart about this. We know speeding is against the law, just like vandalism is. The difference is, the speeder would get an appropriate ticket. The people involved in the vandalism situation are getting a slap on the wrist.
yosports wrote:WHS94 wrote:yosports wrote:Fastbreak, they ARE paying for the damage and also serving the game or 1/2 game suspension. The boys also wrote some letters of apology to the school, AD, etc. I have never heard of a 1/2 game suspension and think that is kind of weird but that is what they are doing. The one player admitted to it right away is what I had heard. . . that is just what I heard from a very reliable source.--and so he got a 1/2 game suspension rather than a full game suspension.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I heard, the kid that got a half game suspension "accidentally" broke a light while swinging his backpack on. I realize that hes probably a tall guy, but REALLY? Accidentally?? That kind of stuff does not happen on accident.
I also find it hard to believe that he "admitted to it right away." If he truly did confess right away (which would mean while the team was still in Wahp) then that would mean that the coach really did know about the whole situation, which doesn't seem to be the case. What's much easier to believe is that he confessed when they got back home after the whole situation started to blow up in their faces.yosports wrote:Remember that these are just teenage boys --not adults-- and so when under 18 I don't think they need to be labeled criminals and sent to jail when there is a teachable moment. I expect the same things from my kids and my students. . . fix your mistake if possible (and they are fixing it. . .), make apologies, and move on. Everyone makes mistakes --especially in the heat of the moment in an emotional setting.
They are high school juniors and seniors, not some little Innocent children. I can only speak for myself here, but by that age they should be able to make mature decisions. I realize that everyone makes mistakes, we're all human, its expected. But when people do screw up, its also expected that they pay the consequences and personally (and i know this isn't just my opinion, many people agree) i think the current punishment is a joke. No one is saying that they should go to jail, so i dont know where you came up with that one, but it should be more than what it currently is.
I agree with you that this is a teachable moment, but this current punishment is a slap on the wrist. The one game that this is actually going to effect is against North (the lowest seed going into EDC, without their best player, Syverson). If you really want to teach them a lesson, then give them an actual punishment.yosports wrote:And the punishment does not have to do with their record or any of that. They would have been punished the same with a winning season or a losing season. It seems to me people from other cities are JEALOUS Of their success and are just looking for reasons to kick them out of the EDC tournament. And by the way. . . RRHS does go by the NDHSAA rules. They have to follow those rules or the whole team
WOULD be disqualified. And usually, in my experience, I have noticed that they enforce them in the strictest way possible.
Maybe don't judge until you have all the facts.
Debatable. You cannot say either way what would happen if they had a different record. Nobody can. Just given the circumstances, that is what people are going to think. You cant really do anything about it. As for myself, i am not jealous and even if other people are i dont think thats the reason why they want a steeper punishment. They want more because they realize what little is being done and they dont think that is right.yosports wrote:Don't speed on the way home tonight. That is breaking the law.
No need to try and get smart about this. We know speeding is against the law, just like vandalism is. The difference is, the speeder would get an appropriate ticket. The people involved in the vandalism situation are getting a slap on the wrist.
I was told that the player admitted to it right away . . . when the players were asked about it. So I think it was the day after. That is when the coach found out about it from the way it sounds. And yes, I heard that it was an accident by a tall player and I have a hard time believing that too but another player told my daughter that and was very serious about it. So maybe the principal believed him. I was not in on all those conversations (and neither were you) so I guess I am trusting that the principal did the right thing after talking to the players, the coaches, etc. I am not second guessing them anymore. The principal knows this kid and is probably going by his "prior offenses" which is maybe NO OFFENSES. And if you think about it-- that is how the real world works whether you want to admit it or not. If you have been picked up once for speeding you might get a warning. But after 3 or 4 times you WILL get a ticket! I have had a warning, haven't you? And I have had tickets.
The punishment fits the crime. If you think about it, the worst punishment is sitting out even one minute. I have been a player and I know that that is one of the hardest things to do. . . to sit out and not be able to play when you want to be out there SO bad. If RR was the # 8 seed playing the # 1 seed it would STILL be hard for those players to sit out. Think about it. And think about the embarassment they will have to endure when they are sitting out. Two starters on the bench. That is even more punishment.
And if you really think that 16 and 17 year old boys (they are juniors in HS) are "mature enough" to know better, you really do not know adolescents and much about their brain development. Again, when there are emotions involved teenagers brains do not think straight--even adults do not think straight.
I just feel really bad for the TEAM because they are awesome and now this black cloud is hanging over their heads. Everyone in GF was really hoping this was their year. It has been a LONG time for RR boys to even get close to winning a championship in BB. I still hope they can do it. From the way it looks they still are the best in the State. They are still ranked # 1. GO RIDERS!
. Let me explain my statement. coaches and Ad's don't pick refs but at the same time they do. It is political. If a coach doesn't want a certain ref they won't be there, guaranteed. same thing goes for the "pools". Each pool has an assigner and if a coach doesn't want someone the assigner is told that info. In class B, the coach is sometimes also the AD and they do schedule the refs. They sign the contract right next to the refs name.MTfan4life wrote:T$$ wrote:yosports wrote:MTfan4life wrote:Sounds like some pretty high quality class there. The coaches not notifying anyone is the cherry on top.
P.S. Athletic Directors pick referee pools. They don't get to pick certain referees. The coaches don't get to pick referees either. The A.D. simply picks a referee pool.[/quote
Coaches do not always check the locker room. They go in after the game, do their post game talk, then the kids shower. Do not assume the coaches were aware.
You are wrong about this. Coaches and ADs pick who they want to ref. Each school votes on the post season.
A school is able to pick specific referees for games? Either the EDC is different from everywhere else or you're greatly misinformed.
*My dad was an athletic director for 30+ years. He never once had the opportunity to pick a specific referee. He could pick whatever pool he wanted to, but not specific refs.
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