12321 wrote:CJ Vinger 16.3ppg, 7.1rpg, 49% shooting
Bruce Govig 12.7ppg, 7.1rpg, 3.3apg, 45% shooting
Tyler Eiken 18.3ppg, 6.1rpg, 2.7apg, 50% shooting
Ryan Huber 15.6ppg, 6.6rpg, 48% 3-pointers
Jalen Finley 15.6ppg, 5rpg, 59% shooting
Esley Thorton 9.9ppg, 5.7rpg, 2.6apg, 44% shooting
Nothing against esley but he WASN'T in the top 15 for points or the top 10 for rebounds in the west let alone the state. He WAS 8th in assists in the west. But he also WASN'T top ten for for shooting percentage, 3pointers, steals, or blocks in the west. Sure he had a good couple of tournaments at the end here but that shouldnt be criteria for all-state.
If anything Eiken should be first team easily. If Esley gets a first team nomination i think it would be a shame for the kids who out performed him for the whole season and not just the last week.
Indy5 wrote:12321 wrote:CJ Vinger 16.3ppg, 7.1rpg, 49% shooting
Bruce Govig 12.7ppg, 7.1rpg, 3.3apg, 45% shooting
Tyler Eiken 18.3ppg, 6.1rpg, 2.7apg, 50% shooting
Ryan Huber 15.6ppg, 6.6rpg, 48% 3-pointers
Jalen Finley 15.6ppg, 5rpg, 59% shooting
Esley Thorton 9.9ppg, 5.7rpg, 2.6apg, 44% shooting
Nothing against esley but he WASN'T in the top 15 for points or the top 10 for rebounds in the west let alone the state. He WAS 8th in assists in the west. But he also WASN'T top ten for for shooting percentage, 3pointers, steals, or blocks in the west. Sure he had a good couple of tournaments at the end here but that shouldnt be criteria for all-state.
If anything Eiken should be first team easily. If Esley gets a first team nomination i think it would be a shame for the kids who out performed him for the whole season and not just the last week.
I think he was just making a case for players who should be above Thorton.
Are you saying Hanstad, Kielpinski, and Savageau all shouldn't be all-state?
12321 wrote:CJ Vinger 16.3ppg, 7.1rpg, 49% shooting
Bruce Govig 12.7ppg, 7.1rpg, 3.3apg, 45% shooting
Tyler Eiken 18.3ppg, 6.1rpg, 2.7apg, 50% shooting
Ryan Huber 15.6ppg, 6.6rpg, 48% 3-pointers
Jalen Finley 15.6ppg, 5rpg, 59% shooting
Esley Thorton 9.9ppg, 5.7rpg, 2.6apg, 44% shooting
Nothing against esley but he WASN'T in the top 15 for points or the top 10 for rebounds in the west let alone the state. He WAS 8th in assists in the west. But he also WASN'T top ten for for shooting percentage, 3pointers, steals, or blocks in the west. Sure he had a good couple of tournaments at the end here but that shouldnt be criteria for all-state.
If anything Eiken should be first team easily. If Esley gets a first team nomination i think it would be a shame for the kids who out performed him for the whole season and not just the last week.
Indy5 wrote:12321 wrote:CJ Vinger 16.3ppg, 7.1rpg, 49% shooting
Bruce Govig 12.7ppg, 7.1rpg, 3.3apg, 45% shooting
Tyler Eiken 18.3ppg, 6.1rpg, 2.7apg, 50% shooting
Ryan Huber 15.6ppg, 6.6rpg, 48% 3-pointers
Jalen Finley 15.6ppg, 5rpg, 59% shooting
Esley Thorton 9.9ppg, 5.7rpg, 2.6apg, 44% shooting
Nothing against esley but he WASN'T in the top 15 for points or the top 10 for rebounds in the west let alone the state. He WAS 8th in assists in the west. But he also WASN'T top ten for for shooting percentage, 3pointers, steals, or blocks in the west. Sure he had a good couple of tournaments at the end here but that shouldnt be criteria for all-state.
If anything Eiken should be first team easily. If Esley gets a first team nomination i think it would be a shame for the kids who out performed him for the whole season and not just the last week.
Are you saying Hanstad, Kielpinski, and Savageau all shouldn't be all-state?
Indy5 wrote:Like Balla45 said, if Saari was 1st team worthy, Belcourt would have won more than 2 games all year. Those 2 wins were both against the 8 seed from the WDA.
balla45 wrote:All State is the top 10 players in the state. You will not convince me that any player at Century, Saint Mary's, or Turtle Mountain is better than Thorton.
I don't think Thorton should be all state for having better teammates, I think he should be all state because he is a top 10 player.
This is my best example, BHS wins state and loses 2 games in North Dakota, while Williston does not make state. It doesn't seem feasible that Williston has two all state players and Bismarck has one.
Esley's defensive contributions do not show up either, sure blocks and steals show up, but denying players like Hanstad doesn't. Credit needs to be given here as well.
balla45 wrote:Whom?
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