scruffy wrote:One thing that needs to change is the "AAA" playoff system. Allowing four out of six teams from each conference in the playoffs is ridiculous. Now it means nothing to qualify. It should be a final four format.
NorthDakota11 wrote:To all of you that think numbers fix everything and make you competitive (well i guess 2-7 is competitive to Steve in AAA) Fargo North has 615 kids to get on their sideline... I listened to the Bismarck/North game on the radio Friday night and it sounded like they had trouble getting 35-40 kids out for their team... Numbers don't make you competitive... if they did Trinity wouldn't be playing in the semi-finals this weekend.
steve34 wrote:If there are 10 teams that look like each other and no one else, we shouldn't just swear off the idea because 10 is not enough for a class.
steve34 wrote:Here's a concept you need to start to embrace: The top 12 enrollment schools in North Dakota all look like each other. They all offer essentially the same activities. They all have the extra activites that we don't typcially see in a lot of schools, like swimming and diving, gymnastics, orchestra, soccer, and debate. They are a perfect class with each other. Breaking up that nice group because Watford City is too good to be A would be a travesty.
steve34 wrote:The top 12 schools belong together in everything, period. The state is being held hostage in basketball and volleyball by administrators clinging to the idea that B Shot will magically return to some big glory hayday like they had 30 years ago..
steve34 wrote:The more I listen to the small schools b***h and moan, the more I think it's time for the big schools to form their own association. They just don't need the NDHSAA anymore. The majority of the people in the state understand that Fargo (3), West Fargo, Grand Forks (2), Jamestown, Bismarck (2), Mandan, Dickinson, Minot, Williston, and Belcourt are in a different league than everyone else.
steve34 wrote:Shanley has informed the HSAA that they will be willing to come back when Davies enters the picture. Eventually, either Bismarck or West Fargo will have an additional public school, and 3A will expand without 2A changing much.
You can't play a season with a 15 game league. You need the right numbers for scheduling. 12 gets it done. Two six team conferences, 5 league games for everyone, and three more with a travel alliance in the other league. That leaves one game for everyone to do with what they please. Williston can play Sidney, South can keep Edina, and so on. With 14, the travel alliance becomes unbalanced, and the rotation gets ugly. 15 is worse. And they will actually come halfway with you when Davies enters, since there will be 14.
steve34 wrote:Also, the non-conference games are not the problem at 3A you describe. They will operate on a travelling alliance plan. Three west schools will play the same three east schools and the other three west schools will do the same.
Example: Dickinson, Mandan, and Bismarck High will play Jamestown, West Fargo, and Fargo South. Then, Williston, Minot, and Century will play Red River, Central, and North.
steve34 wrote:It is not the job of the NDHSAA to create an equitable playing field for every school in North Dakota. The goal is an equal chance to compete, and as soon as the small schools learn that, we'll get some things corrected.
steve34 wrote:Seriously, I don't mean to be negative, but you people have to learn to see the world outside of your own little box to understand what goes on.
steve34 wrote:You make absolutely no point, but thanks for playing.
steve34 wrote:I don't have credibility? You just took posts from a basketball thread and used them on a football thread. But I'm glad that you did, because my "lack of credibility" demonstrates your own.
Had people embraced the "Super 12" concept that I referred to, we would be out of this mess, and several others. Davies would enter, Williston would drop, and life would go on. Also, we'd finally have a system for basketball and volleyball that is much more fair and equitable. It was people like you that shot the "Super 12" idea down. But all of a sudden, 14 looks good to you, when 12 looked bad before?
The Shanley comment was valid, when the idea was proposed. Verified with administration. THAT IS WHAT HAS CHANGED, IDIOT! Stated already on this post. Just this week in the Fargo Forum, a glowing article about Shanley returning to the playoffs. They have changed their opinion, and that his what makes it a new situation. But thanks for asking what has changed, even though I have already answered that question. You may want to take a remedial reading class or get a GED.
Upon further review, scheduling is a problem. The math part is not, but the feel is. The coaches have changed their opinion on that. ANOTHER CHANGE!!!!! They don't like playing half of a season of non-conference games.
I still stand by the second association comment. The HSAA operates at a snail's pace because of people like you, who have never bothered to attend a game outside of your one-room school house world. If we had another association competing with them for membership, things would get done much more quickly.
Oh, and by the way, I live in the Hope-Page school district. Just thought you'd like to know. That has not changed. Now, there's a life out there, just for you, waiting to be found.
steve34 wrote:I don't have credibility? You just took posts from a basketball thread and used them on a football thread. But I'm glad that you did, because my "lack of credibility" demonstrates your own.
steve34 wrote:Had people embraced the "Super 12" concept that I referred to, we would be out of this mess, and several others. Davies would enter, Williston would drop, and life would go on. Also, we'd finally have a system for basketball and volleyball that is much more fair and equitable. It was people like you that shot the "Super 12" idea down. But all of a sudden, 14 looks good to you, when 12 looked bad before? .
steve34 wrote:The Shanley comment was valid, when the idea was proposed. Verified with administration. THAT IS WHAT HAS CHANGED, IDIOT! Stated already on this post. Just this week in the Fargo Forum, a glowing article about Shanley returning to the playoffs. They have changed their opinion, and that his what makes it a new situation. But thanks for asking what has changed, even though I have already answered that question. You may want to take a remedial reading class or get a GED.
steve34 wrote:Upon further review, scheduling is a problem. The math part is not, but the feel is. The coaches have changed their opinion on that. ANOTHER CHANGE!!!!! They don't like playing half of a season of non-conference games.
steve34 wrote:I still stand by the second association comment. The HSAA operates at a snail's pace because of people like you, who have never bothered to attend a game outside of your one-room school house world. If we had another association competing with them for membership, things would get done much more quickly.
steve34 wrote:Oh, and by the way, I live in the Hope-Page school district. Just thought you'd like to know. That has not changed. Now, there's a life out there, just for you, waiting to be found.
steve34 wrote:I'm glad all of those quotes were from this thread, seeing as how most of those quotes were dated November, 2008 and this is thread was created in 2009.
How are those remedial reading lessons working out? May need to take a few more.
NDPlayin wrote:Steven, Steven, Steven... actually each and every single one of those quotes was taken from the topic '2009-10 football realignment" found right here under AA Football... none of them was taken from a basketball post.
NDplayin wrote:Really, I guess my remedial reading instructor forgot to teach me that dishonesty, double-talk, denial, misinformation, and personal attacks were all parts of a sound arguement. I knew I shouldn't have skipped class last week.
Come back with something stronger Steven, these feeble attempts of yours are starting to bore.
Bisonguy06 wrote:I think your numbers are off just a bit (the NDHSAA football plan lists male enrollment around 300 for Devils Lake, so the student body must be close to 600.)
You make a lot of good points though. I understand, DLHS would be the smallest AAA school by quite a margin, and they are a big school for AA. The size of their school and town is unique in North Dakota. It's tough to figure out what to do with them.
I agree that they'd struggle in AAA and would not dominate AA. I just don't think that the solution is shrinking AAA to ten teams and bumping Jamestown, Williston, and Dickinson down.
Bisonguy06 wrote:My two cents:
Steve, I just wanted you to step forward and admit that last year your magic number was 12 and now it's 10. There may be a perfectly reasonable way to explain that (Maybe you feel that 16 is bad, 12 is better, and 10 is best). Let's just own up to our own words.
I like 12 or 14 or 16 better than 10. I have two main concerns with the 10 team AAA:
1) I struggle with the thought that only 10 teams are competing for one trophy, especially when we'll have 13 truly large high schools in our state. If we have to go to that extreme to preserve a 4 class football system, maybe we're better with only 3 football classes.
2) I struggle with the thought that Jamestown and Carrington (for example) are in the same class. Those communities and their high schools look very different. Think of all the activities JHS offers that Carrington does not. This is a concept that we have already talked about and I thought you'd agree.
In my mind, Jamestown's competitive advantage over Carrington on a football field would be much larger than West Fargo's advantage over Jamestown.
I'm trying to return this to a civil debate, but that might be tough. The personal attacks have been flying in all directions.
Bisonguy06 wrote:
The uproar on this board stems from the perception that Devils Lake is only looking out for Devils Lake. They drafted the plan and they seem to be the biggest beneficiary. Thanks for speaking up and representing a different point of view from a different part of the state.
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