baseball wrote:i didnt say they walked in started working out and were drinking....they were drinking, saw you working out in there, came over and talked to you. not really all the unrealistic. why does it have to be to qualify as a party? one kid walking down the street with a beer in his hand would get the same punishment as if he was at a party with 100 kids.
are you telling me if u were at a friends place a person came with beer you got up and just started running out of the room screaming i have sports to play, or did you stay and hang out with the other kids who werent drinking?
o i guess say a game of poker is goin on and some kid lights up a cigarette...o no, game over everyone go home before you get 6 weeks. how come just because a kid goes to a party hes guilty. poker night = party, pool night = party, movie night = party.
how happy are your kids if you never let them go out anywhere, cuz the way your talking it seems that way. every kid as seen underage drinking, its a way of life. just because their eyes see it doesnt mean their body is doing it so why punish them for doing the right thing and not drinking
dtvman wrote:baseball wrote:i didnt say they walked in started working out and were drinking....they were drinking, saw you working out in there, came over and talked to you. not really all the unrealistic. why does it have to be to qualify as a party? one kid walking down the street with a beer in his hand would get the same punishment as if he was at a party with 100 kids.
are you telling me if u were at a friends place a person came with beer you got up and just started running out of the room screaming i have sports to play, or did you stay and hang out with the other kids who werent drinking?
o i guess say a game of poker is goin on and some kid lights up a cigarette...o no, game over everyone go home before you get 6 weeks. how come just because a kid goes to a party hes guilty. poker night = party, pool night = party, movie night = party.
how happy are your kids if you never let them go out anywhere, cuz the way your talking it seems that way. every kid as seen underage drinking, its a way of life. just because their eyes see it doesnt mean their body is doing it so why punish them for doing the right thing and not drinking
Way to over dramatize it baseball, running and screaming? The point is that if 1 person shows up to a party drinking and no one else is, why would you not get that person to leave? If you don't drink why would you want to hang around with someone who does drink. Not showing any sort of disapproval of their behavior is basically condoning it. As far as the right thing, if I were a parent I would have a big problem with my kid hanging around kids drinking, even if he wasn't. The right thing is to take a stand against it. If that means asking someone who is drinking to leave or my kid leaving then I know the point has come across.
Hinsa wrote:"say im in the weight room lifting and some kids walk over and start talking to me and they are drinking. i guess i have to stop lifting and leave becuase if i dont i support their drinking"
I believe the wording in the guilt by association policies, at least those I'm familiar with, state that if you are at a "party" where there is drinking. I don't think the weight room qualifies as a party.
And I'll give you credit for one thing - you have the most vivid imagination I've read about in quite some time. Kids walking in the weight room and drinking.....yup, that happens every day.
baseball wrote:dtvman wrote:baseball wrote:i didnt say they walked in started working out and were drinking....they were drinking, saw you working out in there, came over and talked to you. not really all the unrealistic. why does it have to be to qualify as a party? one kid walking down the street with a beer in his hand would get the same punishment as if he was at a party with 100 kids.
are you telling me if u were at a friends place a person came with beer you got up and just started running out of the room screaming i have sports to play, or did you stay and hang out with the other kids who werent drinking?
o i guess say a game of poker is goin on and some kid lights up a cigarette...o no, game over everyone go home before you get 6 weeks. how come just because a kid goes to a party hes guilty. poker night = party, pool night = party, movie night = party.
how happy are your kids if you never let them go out anywhere, cuz the way your talking it seems that way. every kid as seen underage drinking, its a way of life. just because their eyes see it doesnt mean their body is doing it so why punish them for doing the right thing and not drinking
Way to over dramatize it baseball, running and screaming? The point is that if 1 person shows up to a party drinking and no one else is, why would you not get that person to leave? If you don't drink why would you want to hang around with someone who does drink. Not showing any sort of disapproval of their behavior is basically condoning it. As far as the right thing, if I were a parent I would have a big problem with my kid hanging around kids drinking, even if he wasn't. The right thing is to take a stand against it. If that means asking someone who is drinking to leave or my kid leaving then I know the point has come across.
so if a person drinks that makes them a bad person? i dont drink and some of my best friends have before, and believe it or not im glad to call them my friends. im not gonna let what they do on occasion stop me from having a friendship with them.
dtvman wrote:Guilty by association has nothing to do with a "party". It has to do with getting yourself out of a situation where there is illegal activity taking place. If that illegal activity is 2 teens standing on the street and someone lighting up or you having friends over to your home and one of them brings beer it doesn't make any difference. The point of it is that you need to do something about it. You walk away, you kick that person out, you do whatever to distance yourself from illegal activity. If you do nothing, you are saying you don't want to follow the rules.
klg_11 wrote:dtvman wrote:Guilty by association has nothing to do with a "party". It has to do with getting yourself out of a situation where there is illegal activity taking place. If that illegal activity is 2 teens standing on the street and someone lighting up or you having friends over to your home and one of them brings beer it doesn't make any difference. The point of it is that you need to do something about it. You walk away, you kick that person out, you do whatever to distance yourself from illegal activity. If you do nothing, you are saying you don't want to follow the rules.
there are not very many kids that will do this. i graduated high school several years ago now and just from personal experience almost no one will walk away. Peer pressure is a killer. And im sure many would be amazed at the kids that would stick around during these illegal activites. Im not saying its right, actually it just the opposite. but i dont think the school should be playing cops. i think that, that is the cop;s job and it ends there. I will get bashed for saying that but i think kids have resposibilities and they should be left to those responsibilites, school shouldnt be policing their every move.
(EDIT)- one word , PARENTS!
Baller wrote:vballfan06 wrote:well it's pretty much common sense: don't put pictures of yourself at a party on the internet. that's pretty much a no-brainer.
I realize that...but what if someone else puts a picture of you on their site??? They should just ban all cameras from parties. (or not party)
ClassBEast wrote:Photos on Facebook get some Eden Prairie, Minn., students in trouble
Associated Press
Published Wednesday, January 09, 2008
EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. (AP) - Some Eden Prairie students have been suspended from sports and extracurricular activities after school officials saw Facebook photos of students who appeared to be partying, several students said.
Danny O'Leary, a senior lacrosse player, said Tuesday that his dean obtained four Facebook photos of O'Leary holding drinks and said he was in ``a bit of trouble.' One photo shows him holding a can of beer, another a shot of rum, and another showed him holding his friend's 40-ounce container of beer.
``I wasn't drinking that night,' O'Leary said. ``I was told each picture was equal to a two-game suspension.'
The Associated Press left phone messages at the offices of the high school principal and the school district's communications staff early Wednesday. The officials were asked to contact the AP with comment once they arrive to their offices Wednesday morning.
Varsity boys hockey coach Lee Smith told the Star Tribune that no players on his team are involved.
O'Leary said he planned to meet with the director of student activities about the suspensions.
He said two of the photos depicting him were taken two years ago, before he joined the lacrosse team and signed a pledge not to drink.
``I'm personally pretty upset and wondering why someone would collect these photos and turn them in,' O'Leary said. ``A lot of kids' lives are going to be ruined as far as scholarships and sports are concerned.'
O'Leary said the suspensions will likely curb underage drinking, but mostly, kids will just be smarter about not putting drinking photos online.
``It's dumb to have these pictures up on the Internet,' he said, noting that he has since deleted his Facebook page.
Senior Natalie Friedman agreed that the school's actions won't change much. But, she said, she sees the school's perspective.
``They can't look at these pictures and not do anything about it,' she said. ``But it's not going to stop kids from drinking. We're just going to re-evaluate what we put out in public. We're going to be more cautious.'
Friedman said she was scolded about Facebook photos of her behind a bar at a friend's house with drinks visible. She declined to say whether she was drinking, saying no one could prove the beverages contained alcohol.
``I didn't get into any trouble,' she said. ``But I'm only in intramural sports and some clubs.' She said a friend who is captain of a girls' team was stripped of her leadership role because of the photos.
Eden Prairie senior Rachael Kalaidis, who hasn't been called to the dean's office but said she might because she is probably in some of her friends' photos, said several students have already been reprimanded.
However, she said, the administration has not made any public announcements about it or sent out any information.
``Everyone thinks it's pretty weird,' she said. ``I think it's a huge invasion of privacy.'
The Minnesota State High School League requires student athletes to sign a pledge that they will not drink alcoholic beverages.
Danny O'Leary, a senior lacrosse player, said Tuesday that his dean obtained four Facebook photos of O'Leary holding drinks and said he was in ``a bit of trouble.' One photo shows him holding a can of beer, another a shot of rum, and another showed him holding his friend's 40-ounce container of beer.
``I wasn't drinking that night,' O'Leary said. ``I was told each picture was equal to a two-game suspension.'
Senior Natalie Friedman agreed that the school's actions won't change much. But, she said, she sees the school's perspective.
``They can't look at these pictures and not do anything about it,' she said. ``But it's not going to stop kids from drinking. We're just going to re-evaluate what we put out in public. We're going to be more cautious.'
Friedman said she was scolded about Facebook photos of her behind a bar at a friend's house with drinks visible. She declined to say whether she was drinking, saying no one could prove the beverages contained alcohol.
highheat wrote:smart source wrote:ok is this an invasion of privacy then....i go to minot high school and we had a kid that got kicked off of a sport last year for a picture of him holding a beer on myspace....but the myspace was set to private so you had to be on the friends list for you to open the website....the school apparently has someone hack into these private myspaces and gets the pictures and gets the students in trouble...so you tell me how does that not constitute as an illegal search because to me thats no different than a cop pulling up to someones house and say hey im gonna search your house just for the heck of it to try and find something illegal
the same thing happened at south last year. and since facebook is such an open environment, now there are fargo public school administrators that are part of facebook.
Hinsa wrote:Give me a break!
I'm sure school administrators have nothing else to do but look for pictures on the internet. Do you know how much time these people put in at their jobs?
If a school administrator fesses up and admits to searching, I'll eat crow, but until then I can't believe administrators have the desire nor the time to surf the web looking for trouble.
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