#50mandan wrote:is effertz really getting looked at by und?
I would hope UND wouldnt waste their time looking at this kid. He is tall ill give that to him, but he is slow and uncoordinated. From what i saw he wasnt that good.
#50mandan wrote:is effertz really getting looked at by und?
#50mandan wrote:is effertz really getting looked at by und?
ndman wrote:#50mandan wrote:is effertz really getting looked at by und?
I would hope UND wouldnt waste their time looking at this kid. He is tall ill give that to him, but he is slow and uncoordinated. From what i saw he wasnt that good.
truballa4life wrote:i agree, why would UND look at a guy who wasnt even on wda honorable mention?ndman wrote:#50mandan wrote:is effertz really getting looked at by und?
I would hope UND wouldnt waste their time looking at this kid. He is tall ill give that to him, but he is slow and uncoordinated. From what i saw he wasnt that good.
DWeigs wrote:truballa4life wrote:i agree, why would UND look at a guy who wasnt even on wda honorable mention?ndman wrote:#50mandan wrote:is effertz really getting looked at by und?
I would hope UND wouldnt waste their time looking at this kid. He is tall ill give that to him, but he is slow and uncoordinated. From what i saw he wasnt that good.
You can always develop speed, and coordination, but cant really make somebody taller. Sometimes somebodys physical attributes are good enough where the coaches think they can develop the rest of him. Just my opinion
walter wrote:It is truly a miracle that colleges around the country have managed to have any measure of success scouting or recruiting without the help of such brilliant talent analysts as #50mandan, ndman, Ming01 and truballa4life. For literally decades, colleges have been running around with the ridiculous notion that recruits would continue to develop talent AFTER they finished high school. What fools!! If they only had the vision of this corp of analysts, they would know that a players skill set is CLEARLY defined and certainly would never progress once they reach college.
I am also glad that MIng and Number7 have shared their infinite wisdom regarding athletic training. Again, so much wasted energy could have been saved if only training programs around the country would realize that speed and coordination can never be changed once you reach that magic age of 18-19. And think, the idiots at Frappier Acceleration have the nerve to claim otherwise!! What could they possibly know about training?!? They even go as far as to GUARANTEE a 50% increase in foot speed and agility, and a .2 decrease in 40 yard dash time!!! I bet they never make any money.
Or maybe... just maybe... the people that scout, recruit, and train college athletes know a slight bit more about the whole process than our resident experts. And maybe, just maybe, the one single attribute that you absolutely can't teach, train, or develop..... is height.
walter wrote:It is truly a miracle that colleges around the country have managed to have any measure of success scouting or recruiting without the help of such brilliant talent analysts as #50mandan, ndman, Ming01 and truballa4life. For literally decades, colleges have been running around with the ridiculous notion that recruits would continue to develop talent AFTER they finished high school. What fools!! If they only had the vision of this corp of analysts, they would know that a players skill set is CLEARLY defined and certainly would never progress once they reach college.
I am also glad that MIng and Number7 have shared their infinite wisdom regarding athletic training. Again, so much wasted energy could have been saved if only training programs around the country would realize that speed and coordination can never be changed once you reach that magic age of 18-19. And think, the idiots at Frappier Acceleration have the nerve to claim otherwise!! What could they possibly know about training?!? They even go as far as to GUARANTEE a 50% increase in foot speed and agility, and a .2 decrease in 40 yard dash time!!! I bet they never make any money.
Or maybe... just maybe... the people that scout, recruit, and train college athletes know a slight bit more about the whole process than our resident experts. And maybe, just maybe, the one single attribute that you absolutely can't teach, train, or develop..... is height.
Ming01 wrote:DWeigs wrote:truballa4life wrote:i agree, why would UND look at a guy who wasnt even on wda honorable mention?ndman wrote:#50mandan wrote:is effertz really getting looked at by und?
I would hope UND wouldnt waste their time looking at this kid. He is tall ill give that to him, but he is slow and uncoordinated. From what i saw he wasnt that good.
You can always develop speed, and coordination, but cant really make somebody taller. Sometimes somebodys physical attributes are good enough where the coaches think they can develop the rest of him. Just my opinion
You can't develop or teach speed, it's a god-given talent
dgfsuperfan1 wrote:Ming01 wrote:DWeigs wrote:truballa4life wrote:i agree, why would UND look at a guy who wasnt even on wda honorable mention?ndman wrote:#50mandan wrote:is effertz really getting looked at by und?
I would hope UND wouldnt waste their time looking at this kid. He is tall ill give that to him, but he is slow and uncoordinated. From what i saw he wasnt that good.
You can always develop speed, and coordination, but cant really make somebody taller. Sometimes somebodys physical attributes are good enough where the coaches think they can develop the rest of him. Just my opinion
You can't develop or teach speed, it's a god-given talent
I wished my coaches believe this, he would not have had us do all those dang crushers and windsprints, we could have just walked onto the field with our "god given talents" and got killed.
Ming01 wrote:I am insulted by your comments. How dare you insult me. Sorry, maybe I should have said speed is 90% god-given talent and maybe just nearly 10% can be taught. Yeah, Frappier can help you with technique and training but all the technique and hard work in the world might not make Brooks Bollinger faster than Adrian Petersons mom. Technique and training can only go so far and all the speed in the world cannot overcome genetics.
Ming01 wrote:I am insulted by your comments. How dare you insult me. Sorry, maybe I should have said speed is 90% god-given talent and maybe just nearly 10% can be taught. Yeah, Frappier can help you with technique and training but all the technique and hard work in the world might not make Brooks Bollinger faster than Adrian Petersons mom. Technique and training can only go so far and all the speed in the world cannot overcome genetics.
Ming01 wrote:I am insulted by your comments. How dare you insult me. Sorry, maybe I should have said speed is 90% god-given talent and maybe just nearly 10% can be taught. Yeah, Frappier can help you with technique and training but all the technique and hard work in the world might not make Brooks Bollinger faster than Adrian Petersons mom. Technique and training can only go so far and all the speed in the world cannot overcome genetics.
walter wrote:Ming01 wrote:I am insulted by your comments. How dare you insult me. Sorry, maybe I should have said speed is 90% god-given talent and maybe just nearly 10% can be taught. Yeah, Frappier can help you with technique and training but all the technique and hard work in the world might not make Brooks Bollinger faster than Adrian Petersons mom. Technique and training can only go so far and all the speed in the world cannot overcome genetics.
I would be interested to know your source of this information... But lets assume for the sake of argument that it's true. Do you realize how much of an impact a 10% increase in speed can have? Increasing speed by 10% would change a 6.0 forty yard dash time to a 5.4 or a 5.6 to a 5.04! That is a HUGE difference.Ming01 wrote:I am insulted by your comments. How dare you insult me. Sorry, maybe I should have said speed is 90% god-given talent and maybe just nearly 10% can be taught. Yeah, Frappier can help you with technique and training but all the technique and hard work in the world might not make Brooks Bollinger faster than Adrian Petersons mom. Technique and training can only go so far and all the speed in the world cannot overcome genetics.
No one can run fast enough to overcome their genetics??? I'll assume that you meant that our genetics will only allow us to reach a certain speed, and we will never be able to go beyond that limit. While this could be true to some degree, speed is not a simple Mendelian genetic issue. It is highly unlikely that anyone ever reaches their full genetic potential, and that their is always gains to be made. 20 years ago, no one thought that humans would reach 30mph running. Now, Olympic sprinters are touching 28-29mph, and scientists are questioning whether 33-35mph might be possible. How is that possible?...
You see, speed is pretty simple. While differences in stride length and frequency do play a role, they really aren't different enough from one person to the next to account for speed differences. What it all boils down your ability to generate force with your legs. The more force you generate, the faster you go. In order to increase force, you need to increase muscle mass in the legs and torso. The only limiting factor is a persons ability to accommodate additional muscle mass... i.e. their frame, and their capacity to stick to a training program. So, the true genetic argument comes down to this: You can make improvements in an athletes speed if they have the frame to handle additional muscle mass and they are healthy enough to handle a rigorous training program. Seems like pretty much every high school athlete in the state fits into those requirements.Ming01 wrote:I am insulted by your comments. How dare you insult me. Sorry, maybe I should have said speed is 90% god-given talent and maybe just nearly 10% can be taught. Yeah, Frappier can help you with technique and training but all the technique and hard work in the world might not make Brooks Bollinger faster than Adrian Petersons mom. Technique and training can only go so far and all the speed in the world cannot overcome genetics.
walter wrote:Ming-
You must have spent a great deal of time on all the research to find that "you can't really teach speed." Also, your masterful "example" of genetics and speed is both realistic and clarifying. Needless to say, I roundly disagree with you. The difference is, I base my opinion on actual proof. Would you like to some?
read this abstract from Volume 7, No. 1 of The Sports Journal (2004). I've bolded the important information for you.
Speed Training Program for High School Football Players
By:
Michael Gray, Ed.D.
Jessica A. Sauerbeck, B.A.
Northern Kentucky University
Abstract
The objective of this program was to improve the 40-yard sprint time in junior varsity and varsity high school football players. A 4-½ week speed-training program was designed for 38 high school athletes. The athletes participated 3 days per week in the program. The program consisted of specific form running on a 40-yard course at various downhill degrees of slope in addition to the normal workout of agility and lateral speed training. Each participant was timed on a flat track prior to the start of the training program and upon its completion. The overall results showed an average decrease in time in the 40-yard sprint of 0.188 seconds (range +0.01 to -0.9). All but 5 participants demonstrated an improved time. These results suggest that a standardized training program emphasizing acceleration, starting ability, stride rate, speed endurance, and stride length can improve performance in the 40-yard sprint.
In just one month working only three days per week, they were able to make marked improvements in speed. ONE MONTH!!! THREE DAYS A WEEK!!!! Their speed improved, almost as if it is a teachable skill. If you need more convincing, take a look at Training for Speed, Agility, and Quickness 2nd edition, by Brown and Ferrigno. Maybe that will be enough for you.
Since you provided a nice suggestion for me, I have one in return: The next time you want to engage someone in an argument, make sure that you have some semblance of proof to back your claim... spouting off with one line statements like "You can't do that" or "it's just God-given" only makes you look foolish.
#50mandan wrote:walter wrote:It is truly a miracle that colleges around the country have managed to have any measure of success scouting or recruiting without the help of such brilliant talent analysts as #50mandan, ndman, Ming01 and truballa4life. For literally decades, colleges have been running around with the ridiculous notion that recruits would continue to develop talent AFTER they finished high school. What fools!! If they only had the vision of this corp of analysts, they would know that a players skill set is CLEARLY defined and certainly would never progress once they reach college.
I am also glad that MIng and Number7 have shared their infinite wisdom regarding athletic training. Again, so much wasted energy could have been saved if only training programs around the country would realize that speed and coordination can never be changed once you reach that magic age of 18-19. And think, the idiots at Frappier Acceleration have the nerve to claim otherwise!! What could they possibly know about training?!? They even go as far as to GUARANTEE a 50% increase in foot speed and agility, and a .2 decrease in 40 yard dash time!!! I bet they never make any money.
Or maybe... just maybe... the people that scout, recruit, and train college athletes know a slight bit more about the whole process than our resident experts. And maybe, just maybe, the one single attribute that you absolutely can't teach, train, or develop..... is height.
Walter, alls i wanted to know is if the kid was gettin recruited by und, but now im a brilliantly talented analyst? If he is, congrats to him, they are going D1 and it would be sweet to have someone from bismarck be on that team since weston is now done, but do u think i could be an analyst?
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