BB11 wrote:To put in my two cents of these arguments.
I know both Travis Kraft and Jeff Brandt - It is hard to say who should have won it that year - although I though Travis should have - because they are basically the exact same player. They had the same personalities, the same style of game - although Travis would do more than shoot '3' balls - but so did Jeff in high school.
I agree it should have been a co-award - as their really was no distinguishing factor in their games - they were the same.
I've always said Craig Nelson deserved it. He is the best TRUE pt. guard I've seen ever in Class B. (Yes I know Hunter Berg was a pt. guard - but he was counted on to score a lot.)
This year it will be Brian Qvale - because he is from a Class A town, and because he is going to a d-1 school. Has he impressed me personally? Not really - he is a very good player - but I thought he would be extremely dominant - and he isn't.
My guess for nominees will be Qvale, Pelavek (Sp?) Bakkum, Ironheart, and Lorenz and one more from Class A - maybe Wilhelm.
sodadrinker wrote:well i watched him play last year in some game against minot state and the minot point guard broke his ankles and made him fall so he apparently lost his intimidation factorcityleaguer wrote:sodadrinker wrote:sportsperson wrote:I think the reason Hennessy got Mr. Basketball was because he was a better basketball player than Kyle Carr not because of his stats. I think that's how that works, isn't it?
everytime ive seen hennessy play i didnt understand what the big deal about him was... i personally thought jordan engelhardt, kyle carr, and mike stowman all deserved it more than him
Hennessey was by far the most intimidating player I played against in my days. The only other one I've come across that reminded me of him is Chad Glasser. Besides, Hennessey did start since he was a freshmen which was rare back in 2001, usually only big guys start in class A around that age. He not only could pick you apart with the ball in his hands but seemed to know every move you were going to make on offense before you did. It was always scary when the clock would run down and he would sit there dribbling waiting to make his move.
cityleaguer wrote:sodadrinker wrote:well i watched him play last year in some game against minot state and the minot point guard broke his ankles and made him fall so he apparently lost his intimidation factorcityleaguer wrote:sodadrinker wrote:sportsperson wrote:I think the reason Hennessy got Mr. Basketball was because he was a better basketball player than Kyle Carr not because of his stats. I think that's how that works, isn't it?
everytime ive seen hennessy play i didnt understand what the big deal about him was... i personally thought jordan engelhardt, kyle carr, and mike stowman all deserved it more than him
Hennessey was by far the most intimidating player I played against in my days. The only other one I've come across that reminded me of him is Chad Glasser. Besides, Hennessey did start since he was a freshmen which was rare back in 2001, usually only big guys start in class A around that age. He not only could pick you apart with the ball in his hands but seemed to know every move you were going to make on offense before you did. It was always scary when the clock would run down and he would sit there dribbling waiting to make his move.
Give him some credit for being a freshman last year though with no red shirt. It's gonna be tough going from high school straight into the college game.
ballaholic#3 wrote:i don't get it. if you have better stats how are you not the better basketball player. by the way the only reason kyle carr is not playing college basketball somewhere is because he is too busy being a Minnesota Gopher at baseball. so he is better in hennessy at that too. i'll take a kid who averages a double double vs. a kid who had 13 pts. a game.
SCC wrote:ballaholic#3 wrote:i don't get it. if you have better stats how are you not the better basketball player. by the way the only reason kyle carr is not playing college basketball somewhere is because he is too busy being a Minnesota Gopher at baseball. so he is better in hennessy at that too. i'll take a kid who averages a double double vs. a kid who had 13 pts. a game.
Using your logic that better stats = better player, could we say Carr peaked as a sophomore? I don't think that's true, but that is what you are saying.
SCC wrote:ballaholic#3 wrote:i don't get it. if you have better stats how are you not the better basketball player. by the way the only reason kyle carr is not playing college basketball somewhere is because he is too busy being a Minnesota Gopher at baseball. so he is better in hennessy at that too. i'll take a kid who averages a double double vs. a kid who had 13 pts. a game.
Using your logic that better stats = better player, could we say Carr peaked as a sophomore? I don't think that's true, but that is what you are saying.
SCC wrote:sodadrinker wrote:SCC wrote:ballaholic#3 wrote:i don't get it. if you have better stats how are you not the better basketball player. by the way the only reason kyle carr is not playing college basketball somewhere is because he is too busy being a Minnesota Gopher at baseball. so he is better in hennessy at that too. i'll take a kid who averages a double double vs. a kid who had 13 pts. a game.
Using your logic that better stats = better player, could we say Carr peaked as a sophomore? I don't think that's true, but that is what you are saying.
that means by sayin he had better stats as a sophmore the only thing better he had were points. i look at alot more than just points when it comes to being a good player. taking your team to state 3 years in a row with chances to maybe win it makes him a good player. just cuz he didnt average more points in his last 2 years doesnt mean his stats werent better. he averaged something like 20, 10, and 8 his senior year
I agree with your argument. I still don't think stats tell the whole story when making comparisons.
ballaholic#3 wrote:i don't get it. if you have better stats how are you not the better basketball player. by the way the only reason kyle carr is not playing college basketball somewhere is because he is too busy being a Minnesota Gopher at baseball. so he is better in hennessy at that too. i'll take a kid who averages a double double vs. a kid who had 13 pts. a game.
Wildcat wrote:ballaholic#3 wrote:i don't get it. if you have better stats how are you not the better basketball player. by the way the only reason kyle carr is not playing college basketball somewhere is because he is too busy being a Minnesota Gopher at baseball. so he is better in hennessy at that too. i'll take a kid who averages a double double vs. a kid who had 13 pts. a game.
You're not always the better basketball player because Carr got a chance to clean up against the easy teams in his district and region. More often than not, some of the worst Class A teams could contend in some regions to go to state.
That being said, the voting with Hennessy and Carr was very close and Hennessy won. I thought Hennessy was the more purer basketball player I guess, but Carr's numbers were outstanding and he was excellent in the state tournament his senior year, not just numbers wise, but his overall play was brilliant.
cityleaguer wrote:Wildcat wrote:ballaholic#3 wrote:i don't get it. if you have better stats how are you not the better basketball player. by the way the only reason kyle carr is not playing college basketball somewhere is because he is too busy being a Minnesota Gopher at baseball. so he is better in hennessy at that too. i'll take a kid who averages a double double vs. a kid who had 13 pts. a game.
You're not always the better basketball player because Carr got a chance to clean up against the easy teams in his district and region. More often than not, some of the worst Class A teams could contend in some regions to go to state.
That being said, the voting with Hennessy and Carr was very close and Hennessy won. I thought Hennessy was the more purer basketball player I guess, but Carr's numbers were outstanding and he was excellent in the state tournament his senior year, not just numbers wise, but his overall play was brilliant.
Not only that but try putting Hennessey on Linton's team and have Carr on Williston's and see what their stats would be? Plus, Hennessey had tremendous players his last 2 years for Williston, including Brian Qvale (soph) his senior year and Qvale was an all stater that year.
So who did Kyle Carr have on his team his senior year? Did he have two dominant post players on his team? I don't think so, the biggest help he had was his dad Dan Carr, coaching him. Everyone knew that Carr was the man and was the reason other players were set up for points and they couldn't stop him. He created shots for 5 people on the court at all times. Carr got HOSED.cdub1 wrote:cityleaguer wrote:Wildcat wrote:ballaholic#3 wrote:i don't get it. if you have better stats how are you not the better basketball player. by the way the only reason kyle carr is not playing college basketball somewhere is because he is too busy being a Minnesota Gopher at baseball. so he is better in hennessy at that too. i'll take a kid who averages a double double vs. a kid who had 13 pts. a game.
You're not always the better basketball player because Carr got a chance to clean up against the easy teams in his district and region. More often than not, some of the worst Class A teams could contend in some regions to go to state.
That being said, the voting with Hennessy and Carr was very close and Hennessy won. I thought Hennessy was the more purer basketball player I guess, but Carr's numbers were outstanding and he was excellent in the state tournament his senior year, not just numbers wise, but his overall play was brilliant.
Not only that but try putting Hennessey on Linton's team and have Carr on Williston's and see what their stats would be? Plus, Hennessey had tremendous players his last 2 years for Williston, including Brian Qvale (soph) his senior year and Qvale was an all stater that year.
his sophomore year hennessey made qvale that good he is amazing now but when he was a sophomore it was hennessey making bondey and qvale good i think they would both attest to the fact that hennessey made them better and only 13 a game you are playing with 2 dominant post players you give them the ball
rep wrote:it isn't like carr had a bunch of stiffs on the team though.
sathren was decent, albeit playing on one leg. bodvig was/is one of the most athletic people on earth. craig weber was a decent post option, though not great. little bryce weber was a decent defender. don't remember what they had for a bench then.
carr had some help, but he was really the glue that held everything together, imo. still, definitely one of the better all-around players to play in the state.
Big Ticket wrote:I think that Rebecca fiekert definantly deserved that award last year. She was crazy and i am not a girls basketball fan. This years Ms bball winner wasnt even close to her. Rebecca can play with the guys and do good, so you cant say it was just because she said she was going to kansas.
point/center wrote:Jenna Lemnus was at Louisville...Amber Land at Michigan directional...neither of those were nominated for MissBB....D1 doesnt=Mr. BB.
Les jepson played in the NBA....never was Mr. BB
north_border_eagles2106 wrote:ZSo who did Kyle Carr have on his team his senior year? Did he have two dominant post players on his team? I don't think so, the biggest help he had was his dad Dan Carr, coaching him. Everyone knew that Carr was the man and was the reason other players were set up for points and they couldn't stop him. He created shots for 5 people on the court at all times. Carr got HOSED.cdub1 wrote:cityleaguer wrote:Wildcat wrote:ballaholic#3 wrote:i don't get it. if you have better stats how are you not the better basketball player. by the way the only reason kyle carr is not playing college basketball somewhere is because he is too busy being a Minnesota Gopher at baseball. so he is better in hennessy at that too. i'll take a kid who averages a double double vs. a kid who had 13 pts. a game.
You're not always the better basketball player because Carr got a chance to clean up against the easy teams in his district and region. More often than not, some of the worst Class A teams could contend in some regions to go to state.
That being said, the voting with Hennessy and Carr was very close and Hennessy won. I thought Hennessy was the more purer basketball player I guess, but Carr's numbers were outstanding and he was excellent in the state tournament his senior year, not just numbers wise, but his overall play was brilliant.
Not only that but try putting Hennessey on Linton's team and have Carr on Williston's and see what their stats would be? Plus, Hennessey had tremendous players his last 2 years for Williston, including Brian Qvale (soph) his senior year and Qvale was an all stater that year.
his sophomore year hennessey made qvale that good he is amazing now but when he was a sophomore it was hennessey making bondey and qvale good i think they would both attest to the fact that hennessey made them better and only 13 a game you are playing with 2 dominant post players you give them the ball
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