project-pat wrote:That's how montana refs are, they let basically anything happen.
Indians Alumni wrote:Do you think a Three man crew will help eliminate any of this or would it add to the frustration?
hoop_fan1 wrote:I agree. Many calls get made before the play is even over-too much anticipation. ANd yes, games in MN get more physical. A three man crew doesn't seem to improve things any, from what I've seen. The only case where I feel it's good is on a big floor, and the refs can't cover the ground- then 3 is a good option- but use 3 refs that have worked together before- they are a team also-more experience=better results.
mdk23 wrote:I am going to add to this topic from a ref's point of view. You may or may not agree but this is how I see it. The game changes. It has and it will continue to. Ten years ago, you didnt see the spin moves, the fancy dribbles, and the fade away shots like you do now. Players progress every year, refs do not. The majority of the refs that I know or have seen ref have been around a long time. They started reffing in a day when basketball was purely fundamentals. And pardon me, but pure fundamentals are being compromised. I have been to quite a few high school games this year and I have seen very few players that know fundamental post moves. This is not good or bad, it happens and we deal with it, but like players, refs will adjust too. It is just gonna take some time. I really don't want to come across as a jerk to anyone, but if you have never reffed a game at the varsity level or higher, then you don't know how hard it is. If your response to that is, "It can't be that hard" then I will look for your name to be on the list of registered officials for next year. I know for a fact there is a need for more in almost all areas of this state.
mdk23 wrote:I am going to add to this topic from a ref's point of view. You may or may not agree but this is how I see it. The game changes. It has and it will continue to. Ten years ago, you didnt see the spin moves, the fancy dribbles, and the fade away shots like you do now. Players progress every year, refs do not. The majority of the refs that I know or have seen ref have been around a long time. They started reffing in a day when basketball was purely fundamentals. And pardon me, but pure fundamentals are being compromised. I have been to quite a few high school games this year and I have seen very few players that know fundamental post moves. This is not good or bad, it happens and we deal with it, but like players, refs will adjust too. It is just gonna take some time. I really don't want to come across as a jerk to anyone, but if you have never reffed a game at the varsity level or higher, then you don't know how hard it is. If your response to that is, "It can't be that hard" then I will look for your name to be on the list of registered officials for next year. I know for a fact there is a need for more in almost all areas of this state.
Photo-man-Bob wrote:One thing I see so much that just makes me twitch is when a kid stops short and moves his pivot foot twice or thrice awkwardly while leaving his plant foot in place. (Whistle) travel.
Does it look awkward? Yes.
Is it a travel? No.
I know you guys have to see this a lot. Most of the time it is a knee-jerk reaction to make the call because the opposing teams bench/crowd gets all up in arms.
Also, heaven forbid a kid goes behind his back on the way to the hoop. No place in our game for that kind of nonsense, right? Travel!!!!
I never get very critical of refs (I used to be certified) but sometimes they've done so many games that they just make calls based on anticipation and habbit rather than the rule.
beavof77 wrote:I think a big deal is alot of ND class B refs don't get the oppertunity to see the way the game is changing from the physical stand point. Like people said MN and MT refs let the game go and only call "real fouls" once these refs start watching good teams play they will start to see the things highschool kids can do that they always assume is a foul or a violation. How can this be changed?
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