GRIDIRON GURU wrote:A three class system would be a joke! It would totally ruin class b basketball. which is the biggest show in N.D.
I am sick of hearing Valley City cry about how they can not compete. So there should be a special class for them. I call BS. there are bigger problems in VC in the athletic dept. starting from the top on down.
Valley city is the second biggest school in AA football and whent 0-9 this past season.
athletics are broken in Valley City. a new class will not help them.
point/center wrote:exactly...i'd vote for a one class system in a heartbeat. i dont profess to know the ins and outs. but why can Napoleon be THE BEST wrestling team in the state? in all sincerity fill me in on what it's more difficult to compete in BB than in wresling? more weight classes to fill on the mat than positions on the hard-court.
Diamond D wrote:The problem lies with the fact that Class B is ruined right now anyways. We have 2-3 private schools in there every year. To me, that isn't the class B anymore.
Although DT might have lower enrollment numbers than say Harvey or Carrington, it is Dickinson who comes to support DT. When Shiloh comes, it is Bismarck that comes to support the team. When Bishop Ryan makes it, it is Minot that comes to support.
To me, the Class B is about small towns, not about about small enrollments. Class B was about being away from the Bismarck's and Minot's. Now it isn't.
I have been opposed to a 3 class system, but now am seeing the advantages of doing so.
The private schools (class "A" misfits) along with a few other schools like VC, DL, Whap, and some others just might be the answer.
We are not talking about Private schools that are already A. Yeah you are right Trinity was A at the same time that Minot Ryan is. But if we are talking about the Pingree's and Tioga's, we can't because they all co-op. If you are going to make private schools go A just because they are private and not because of numbers, then lets make ALL the coops do it too. The PBK's the North Borbers, the Steele-Dawson's, yeah when a team makes it to state, there are four towns supporting them.....Being in Fargo, when Oak Grove makes it to state, I do not support them (I support my team) Same goes for all the other private schools.Diamond D wrote:Minot Ryan switched in 1991-1992. DT hasn't been class B the whole time. What year did they switch over?
Oak Grove? were they not Class A at one time?
St. Mary's is Class A are they not?
I have no problem with a private school setting. If that is the school you want your kids to go to, then so be it. IMHO the Class B boys/girls basketball tournament is about the Pingree's, the Sherwood's, the Tioga's, the Washburns, the Bowman's, the Parshalls, etc.... AND not about Minot, Bismarck, Dickinson, Fargo, Devils Lake, etc...
Big Hitter wrote:My opinion on the whole matter is that the private school should be class A and AAA for football there i think everyone is sick of seeing DT in the state tourney every year. along with the other private schools.
But if we are talking about the Pingree's and Tioga's, we can't because they all co-op. If you are going to make private schools go A just because they are private and not because of numbers, then lets make ALL the coops do it too.
Diamond D wrote:But if we are talking about the Pingree's and Tioga's, we can't because they all co-op. If you are going to make private schools go A just because they are private and not because of numbers, then lets make ALL the coops do it too.
Geeze I knew someone was going to throw that one out. Co-ops are not the same as parochial schools are. When Steele-Dawson makes it to state, it is just different than when Bishop Ryan or Shiloh or Shanley makes it there. It is still "small town" doing the supporting and that IMHO is what the State Class B is all about.
Class A has always been identified as the large towns tournament. Class B has always been about the small town tournament. As I state before, when Bishop Ryan wins, Minot comes to support them. I don't feel it is their tournament. It is the small town's tournament. That is just my humble opinion.
I am not saying DT or Bishop Ryan should be Class A either. Hence why I called them the misfits. They (meaning the parochial schools) really don't fit in anywhere right now.
I will also agree to disagree with you SCC on the comment you made. I don't think the consolidations are changing/ruining the state class B. It is still small town ND showing up to show support for their teams.
digger wrote:Diamond D wrote:But if we are talking about the Pingree's and Tioga's, we can't because they all co-op. If you are going to make private schools go A just because they are private and not because of numbers, then lets make ALL the coops do it too.
Geeze I knew someone was going to throw that one out. Co-ops are not the same as parochial schools are. When Steele-Dawson makes it to state, it is just different than when Bishop Ryan or Shiloh or Shanley makes it there. It is still "small town" doing the supporting and that IMHO is what the State Class B is all about.
Class A has always been identified as the large towns tournament. Class B has always been about the small town tournament. As I state before, when Bishop Ryan wins, Minot comes to support them. I don't feel it is their tournament. It is the small town's tournament. That is just my humble opinion.
I am not saying DT or Bishop Ryan should be Class A either. Hence why I called them the misfits. They (meaning the parochial schools) really don't fit in anywhere right now.
I will also agree to disagree with you SCC on the comment you made. I don't think the consolidations are changing/ruining the state class B. It is still small town ND showing up to show support for their teams.
Take Trinity's run over the last 10 years out of the equation, do you still want 3 class basketball? It seems as though dislike/jealousy for Trinity has seeped into the way some people look at the other privates, and the easiest fix is the 3 class system. Take into account that along with the privates you'll be taking Kindred, Lisbon, Central Cass, Watford City, Hazen, Rugby, etc. out of Class B. Is this really what you want? These aren't your traditional "small towns" that you want in Class B? The demographics of North Dakota suggest that many of the smallest schools will continue to consolidate, it makes sense from a financial sense and from the standpoint of delivery of services. Lisbon/Watford/Kindred vs. a smaller school or a consolidated district isn't unfair competition.
You take away all the David vs. Goliath aspect of the Class B and you've significantly altered the atmosphere of the B. Don't forget why "Hoosiers" was such a great story.
:clap:bestinthewest wrote:This 3-class suggestion is BS. some of the biggest load of BS i have ever heard. You hear VC complaining because they cant win in class A. you dont hear all the tiny little schools that never make the state tournament complaining and asking for another class. if you ask me, making the state B tourney is like making the elite 8 of the NCAA tournament, its a huge frickin deal. when the tiny little towns make it that far, everyone supports them and goes out and watches them. and you know they got there because of their hard work and quality coaching. i'm sure VC could make it with the right combo of hard work and maybe if they would attempt to strengthen their coaching staff.
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