Mailman_25 wrote:The only thing that this shows is what many have been arguing for many years - the AA is and has been a broken system that has allowed schools like Shanley, St. Mary's and such to load up on wins against teams that are no different than most A teams.
Mailman_25 wrote:Heimer - Other than the original post by Rivershark, no one is saying that a A team could beat the top half of AA. Certainly not me. My point is the AAA teams like Shanley and St. Mary's should not be playing teams like Griggs Barnes County and Enderlin. Its a broken system that the NDHSAA finally was pressured to change.
Furthermore, I am in favor of a class sytem for ND football that is similar to the SD model. I would have 3 classes of 11 man and 2 classes of 9 man.
5-time state chump wrote:There should be 8 classes, each consisting of 4 regions, so teams are all playing teams their size.
Class AAA
Class AA
Class AAB
Class A
Class AB
Class B
Class BA
Class C2
Mailman_25 wrote:5-time state chump wrote:There should be 8 classes, each consisting of 4 regions, so teams are all playing teams their size.
Class AAA
Class AA
Class AAB
Class A
Class AB
Class B
Class BA
Class C2
I hear ya 5-time, but I don't think keeping the current system of 3 classes of 11 man and dividing 9 man into 2 divisions is that extreme. In fact, it did get a lot of traction with the NDHSAA football committee this past year. The hope is that it would encourage some teams that currently coop to form their own teams. Maybe creates some natural rivalries. Maybe creates more school spirit. Maybe I am off my rocker, but I don't think this proposal creates an "everybody gets a trophy system." Instead of the two 9 man divisions, the NDHSAA football committee is going the 6 man football route. Don't see that getting much interest
heimer wrote:Not sure. I don't keep stats on every team in the league.
But you're talking out both sides of your mouth. The thread suggest that A and AA are the same thing. They are not. How many games would Shanley lose to A East Region teams? I don't see Oakes, Larimore, Milnor-NS, Carrington, et. al, giving them any kind of a push.
So, is your problem Shanley and St. Mary's, or the system?
I hear this crap all the time. So-and-so A power could step right up and compete with the AA level. That died with Cavalier. Cavalier won AA titles with A enrollment, but those teams would have killed A teams every year also.
If your problem is the system, prove it. Convince those A coaches that bigger riches and rewards await them in the fantasy land AA football, and lets see how they do.
If your problem is Shanley, you have four places to level your anger:
Shanley
Devils Lake
Belcourt
AAA
Shanley because they recruit
Devils Lake because they got us into this mess
Belcourt because they let Devils Lake get us into this mess.
AAA because they reacted badly to the mess.
Timeline:
AAA was 16 teams (pre Sheyenne and Legacy). The NDHSAA was simply reclassing all the native american schools down a class for no other reason than they were native american schools (pre free-and-reduced meals).
Devils Lake was stuck in AAA because Belcourt kept getting bumped down, making Devils Lake, with a smaller enrollment, bump up. So, Superintendent Steve Swiontek threatened a reverse racism lawsuit against the NDHSAA.
The NDHSAA did what they always do when threatened with a lawsuit. They pulled out the manual that deals with reacting to prospective lawsuits, which states the following:
1. Pi$$ your pants.
2. Call a lawyer
3. Don't trust the lawyer
4. Give Central Ca.....wait.....Watford Ci.....wait.....Linto.....wait.....Graft.....wait.....Devils Lake, yeah, that's right, Devils Lake whatever they want.
Only the manual has an additional step when it's either Devils Lake or Valley City:
4B: Come up with a way to screw them later.
And Free and Reduced meals was born, but only applying if over 60% of your students were on it, so, basically, the native american schools.
And Devils Lake went back up.
But, during the time they were down, Belcourt got kicked like a ball in the deciding game of a Vikings postseason contest----hard, fast, and silly. So, one year, Belcourt told the AAA world in July that they quit.....as in.....no varsity schedule.
So, Fargo South, and North, and Red River, and Central, and West Fargo.......etc.......all had to find replacement games. Some went to Apple Valley, MN, some snagged another game, some didn't find one.
And all decided that the AAA class couldn't tolerate anymore shenanigans, so they limited the class to 14, then expanded it to 16 for Sheyenne and Legacy.
THEY ALSO FORBADE ANY TEAMS FROM OPTING UP TO AAA. Shanley and St Mary's have no choice in the matter.
I have pleaded and pleaded for a 10-10 system. We're getting closer, but some of you can't see your way past your own 1950's era two-class bulls--- to allow it.
AAA (no regions):
Minot
West Fargo
Century
Legacy
Bismarck
Williston
Davies
Sheyenne
Red River
Mandan
AA
South
Dickinson
Central
North
Jamestown
Devils Lake
St. Marys
Shanley
Watford City
Belcourt
Want to make it better: Here's 12-12
AAA (no regions):
Minot
West Fargo
Century
Legacy
Bismarck
Williston
Davies
Sheyenne
Red River
Mandan
South
Dickinson
AA
Central
North
Jamestown
Devils Lake
St. Marys
Shanley
Watford City
Belcourt
Wahpeton
Valley City
Central Cass
Grafton
Tell me that AA class not cool. I would go to any game involving two teams, save for Belcourt, but they have some work to do anyway, no matter the class.
But we can't get out of our own way to limit class sizes because we think any title is illegitimate till you destroy six teams that have no business playing with you and three teams that can actually push you.
Thats not on Shanley, St. Mary's, the NDHSAA, or the system. Thats on you. Recognize football for what it is, and we can improve the game.
winners&losers wrote:
Also, your proposed plan has no chance of ever being used. Schools would have to make room for extra funds for traveling expenses. (williston going and playing in fargo/grand forks, or watford city playing shanley) It just wouldn't be able to be funded.
heimer wrote:In a proposed 10-team division, you don't have to play everyone.
Take a page out of MN's playbook and use QRF to seed the opponents for the playoffs. Let them make their own schedules.
Have a 13-week season, like 9-man gets now. Top six teams get a bye week in round one. 10 plays at 7, 9 plays at 8, then move on.
Works every year in MN with great success and no one ever complains.
But we won't do this. Takes an open mind, and we don't have that here in good ole Nort Dahhkoooohhhta.
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