B-oldtimer wrote: Another aspect would be that the two lower classes continue to play each other if possible and it should be encouraged to do so I don't know how to do this but there has to be some idea's out there to do this.
scruffy wrote:They can not make smaller private schools play up a division and allow larger reservation schools to play down a division. It is called discrimination and would never hold up. If there is any reason to believe that they want to "prevent" certain schools from advancing to state or if they favor any larger school to prevent them from moving up to "A" the plan will fail. If it would pass it certainly will be shot down in court.
Kwoods wrote:scruffy wrote:They can not make smaller private schools play up a division and allow larger reservation schools to play down a division. It is called discrimination and would never hold up. If there is any reason to believe that they want to "prevent" certain schools from advancing to state or if they favor any larger school to prevent them from moving up to "A" the plan will fail. If it would pass it certainly will be shot down in court.
What larger reservations schools are playing down a division? (Dunseith???)There are schools that are not reservation schools with higher enrollments than the private schools because these public schools can't reject kids from enrolling. Private schools can take or turn away whoever they like there is where part of their advantage is. They will never go above the Class B cut off because of the control they have.
Kwoods wrote:scruffy wrote:They can not make smaller private schools play up a division and allow larger reservation schools to play down a division. It is called discrimination and would never hold up. If there is any reason to believe that they want to "prevent" certain schools from advancing to state or if they favor any larger school to prevent them from moving up to "A" the plan will fail. If it would pass it certainly will be shot down in court.
What larger reservations schools are playing down a division? (Dunseith???)There are schools that are not reservation schools with higher enrollments than the private schools because these public schools can't reject kids from enrolling. Private schools can take or turn away whoever they like there is where part of their advantage is. They will never go above the Class B cut off because of the control they have.
scruffy wrote:They can not make smaller private schools play up a division and allow larger reservation schools to play down a division. It is called discrimination and would never hold up. If there is any reason to believe that they want to "prevent" certain schools from advancing to state or if they favor any larger school to prevent them from moving up to "A" the plan will fail. If it would pass it certainly will be shot down in court.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:Kwoods wrote:scruffy wrote:They can not make smaller private schools play up a division and allow larger reservation schools to play down a division. It is called discrimination and would never hold up. If there is any reason to believe that they want to "prevent" certain schools from advancing to state or if they favor any larger school to prevent them from moving up to "A" the plan will fail. If it would pass it certainly will be shot down in court.
What larger reservations schools are playing down a division? (Dunseith???)There are schools that are not reservation schools with higher enrollments than the private schools because these public schools can't reject kids from enrolling. Private schools can take or turn away whoever they like there is where part of their advantage is. They will never go above the Class B cut off because of the control they have.
Private schools need $$ to function...$$ means tuition. Why would a school turn away families who are willing to pay to educate their child(ren). Maybe some do turn away students...but here's the thing people: 325 is the cutoff...NONE of the private schools are even CLOSE to that number so saying they turn kids down to stay under enrollment is a 'croc'. If a family is willing to pay the tuition for their child(ren) the school WILL NOT reject the child (Behavioral issues after enrollment may change my previous statement).
I can tell you, I know for a fact that at least ONE private school is NOT turning away students that are willing to pay for their schooling...and in their elementary school they are near capacity and yet still growing...plus their HS enrollment includes many 1-year international students who want an American education (Students who affect the enrollment numbers even though they cannot participate in HS Varsity sports).
Run4Fun2009 wrote:Kwoods wrote:scruffy wrote:They can not make smaller private schools play up a division and allow larger reservation schools to play down a division. It is called discrimination and would never hold up. If there is any reason to believe that they want to "prevent" certain schools from advancing to state or if they favor any larger school to prevent them from moving up to "A" the plan will fail. If it would pass it certainly will be shot down in court.
What larger reservations schools are playing down a division? (Dunseith???)There are schools that are not reservation schools with higher enrollments than the private schools because these public schools can't reject kids from enrolling. Private schools can take or turn away whoever they like there is where part of their advantage is. They will never go above the Class B cut off because of the control they have.
Private schools need $$ to function...$$ means tuition. Why would a school turn away families who are willing to pay to educate their child(ren). Maybe some do turn away students...but here's the thing people: 325 is the cutoff...NONE of the private schools are even CLOSE to that number so saying they turn kids down to stay under enrollment is a 'croc'. If a family is willing to pay the tuition for their child(ren) the school WILL NOT reject the child (Behavioral issues after enrollment may change my previous statement).
I can tell you, I know for a fact that at least ONE private school is NOT turning away students that are willing to pay for their schooling...and in their elementary school they are near capacity and yet still growing...plus their HS enrollment includes many 1-year international students who want an American education (Students who affect the enrollment numbers even though they cannot participate in HS Varsity sports).
Kwoods wrote:I know a few athletes that moved from schools in our area whose tuition is paid for so they can attend. All were great basketball players that were stand outs at the private school they attended.
Kwoods wrote:I know a few athletes that moved from schools in our area whose tuition is paid for so they can attend. All were great basketball players that were stand outs at the private school they attended.
Edger wrote:Kwoods wrote:I know a few athletes that moved from schools in our area whose tuition is paid for so they can attend. All were great basketball players that were stand outs at the private school they attended.
This is true. I know some as well. I also know parents of a couple of kids that attend Minot. They told me face to face that both of their boys received letters from Bishop Ryan to attend and play basketball at one time. The parents declined, and don't care enough about the recruiting controversy to get involved. Now I know some of you will say prove it, but I believe them, for the simple reason that. Why would they lie?
I don't think that manipulating the enrollment no's will solve anything because most complaints are about the privates. If the three class system is not going to address ALL the issues then I'd prefer they just leave it alone. This plan is clearly Watford City self-serving.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:Private schools need $$ to function...$$ means tuition. Why would a school turn away families who are willing to pay to educate their child(ren). Maybe some do turn away students...but here's the thing people: 325 is the cutoff...NONE of the private schools are even CLOSE to that number so saying they turn kids down to stay under enrollment is a 'croc'. If a family is willing to pay the tuition for their child(ren) the school WILL NOT reject the child (Behavioral issues after enrollment may change my previous statement).
I can tell you, I know for a fact that at least ONE private school is NOT turning away students that are willing to pay for their schooling...and in their elementary school they are near capacity and yet still growing...plus their HS enrollment includes many 1-year international students who want an American education (Students who affect the enrollment numbers even though they cannot participate in HS Varsity sports).
Flip wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:Private schools need $$ to function...$$ means tuition. Why would a school turn away families who are willing to pay to educate their child(ren). Maybe some do turn away students...but here's the thing people: 325 is the cutoff...NONE of the private schools are even CLOSE to that number so saying they turn kids down to stay under enrollment is a 'croc'. If a family is willing to pay the tuition for their child(ren) the school WILL NOT reject the child (Behavioral issues after enrollment may change my previous statement).
I can tell you, I know for a fact that at least ONE private school is NOT turning away students that are willing to pay for their schooling...and in their elementary school they are near capacity and yet still growing...plus their HS enrollment includes many 1-year international students who want an American education (Students who affect the enrollment numbers even though they cannot participate in HS Varsity sports).
I'm definitely not pro-private school, but I agree with pretty much everything that was said here. If you're willing to pay tuition the school isn't going to turn you away. To say they control their enrollment to stay class B is one of the most ignorant statements that can be made in this argument.
Kwoods wrote:I know of students as I am a teacher that were very intelligent that were not offered the same amount of scholarship money as the athletes were.
Please don't call me ignorant when I work in the school system and have heard stories of students from their families (not going to publicly say their names) who are not athletes that have been turned away.
d_fense wrote:Bigbrew22 wrote...
Well I just ran some numbers on one private school and to send my 5 kids there from k-12 would cost half a million dollars in just tuitions. So that's pretty much out of the question for most people with even 1 or 2 kids so to answer your questions about restricting enrollment is that the cost is what restricts enrollment.
I ran numbers on the private schools I know of in North Dakota for tuition for 5 students running 1st to 12th grade. (sorry I see you mentioned k-12) The first 7 I ran wouldn't touch half a million dollars, then I did Trinity Christian in Williston. Here is what I found....
Dickinson Trinity $180,500
Bishop Ryan $200,700
Minot Our Re. $204,000
Bismarck St. M. $212,750
Shanley $215,093
Shiloh Chr. $418,375
Oak Grove $429,580
Wil. Trin. Chr. $1,080,800
Catholic schools seem to have lower tuition. They all have a tuition rate, and offer something called cost of education. This is a higher tuition that reflects the true cost of education that they would appreciate receiving if you are able to pay it. Some schools offer lower tuition for multiple students. Wil. Trin. Christian is way out of the ballpark of most schools. They do offer some scholarships, but I couldn't find any numbers, other than over one million dollars awarded annually.
I also ran numbers for different preschools. Nearly all the Private Christian Schools cost less to send a student to than preschools. Preschool numbers if you adjust for an equal number of years ran from...
$404,000 to $579,600.
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