heimer wrote:They scored less than 60 points.
They didn't score 66.
They didn't score 85.
I never advocate letting a team score for mercy. You can't control whether they have shooters that can hit shots anyway. But you can control how your offense plays, and you can play zone.
It really isn't that hard.
Thompson and Park River showed how to control a game. Park River called the press off and didn't score 60. Thompson didn't score 60. Watford city scored 85, and you want to make this an apples to apples comparison.
Weak.
And Nudell can break the record or not, but it's worth more that programs survive than her finding her name on a wall. She's been starting since 7th grade, and I'm assuming the person whose record she's attempting break (BTW, who is that? Schneekloth? Just wondering) didn't start in seventh grade. Anyone playing today that breaks a record should have an asterisk by it anyway. Girls basketball isn't even close to what it used to be.
Minot Ryan best ever last year? Katie Richards beats that team with Cari Burchill and three pick-up players. Best my a$$. It's amazing how much hype basketball fans in North Dakota will buy into.
heimer wrote:Coach: we're going to work on some things. I want a 23 matchup, force the low percentage outside shot. Give nothing inside. Run the 8-second high low when we have the ball. Take the press off.
Players: yes sir.
A prime rib won't sell if you serve it in a dirty ash tray. A hamburger will sell when on a kaiser roll with three sauces and garlic mashed.
heimer wrote:Balla, I'm actually starting to legitimately wonder about you. You think being up by 20 and giving up a low-percentage shot is a stupid idea?
I shouldn't be surprised. I'm starting to think everyone west of 281 has high school athletics on a pedestal, and the only thing that matters to a kid while they are in school. If you've parented your kids, or coaches your kids, to believe that winning by as much as you can all the time, with no regard to the integrity of the game or sportsmanship, is all that matters, you've completely missed the point.
Balla, that's you, and I weep for your children.
Wallenda, girls basketball was INFINITELY better in the mid 90s than it is now. One team kept Hope-Page from the state tournament. And the Munds would beat Minot Ryan also. I'm starting to think you're a dad from Minot, and you have to be to believe the spew of them being the GOAT.
Hinsa, do the math. 40-50 is not 60-70. The scores were 85-15 and 66-6. You can't win with class at 85-15. It's impossible. 66-6 is only slightly possible.
heimer wrote:Balla, I'm actually starting to legitimately wonder about you. You think being up by 20 and giving up a low-percentage shot is a stupid idea?
I shouldn't be surprised. I'm starting to think everyone west of 281 has high school athletics on a pedestal, and the only thing that matters to a kid while they are in school. If you've parented your kids, or coaches your kids, to believe that winning by as much as you can all the time, with no regard to the integrity of the game or sportsmanship, is all that matters, you've completely missed the point.
Balla, that's you, and I weep for your children.
triplebbb wrote:My first 2 years of boys head coach in the mid-80's we went 1-39. Goals were set to not give up 80 pts and hopefully score 40. We hoped the other team would play their starters maybe one and a half quarters in the first half and do the best they could and start them the 3rd, then substitute freely. Coaches didn't always, but for the most part they did. There are many "unwritten rules" of basketball and they keep things under control most of the time. When 85-15 could have been 110-5 or 66-6 could have been 80-2 I think those rules were followed. I have had the opportunity since those first 2 years to coach in 10 state tourneys at 3 different levels. Been on the high and low end of scores. Mercy rule...absolutely. We play with what we are given as players and rules and do the best we can to win and lose the right way. Obviously no matter what the circumstances of any blowout it cannot be done right to satisfy some people....said people not being at any of the games in person. There will be a lot more lopsided scores this season. Unless someone is at a game in which the winning team presses late and shoots layups all night with starters and "runs it up", its a fact of Class B girl's basketball and should not be called "classless". Amen.
balla45 wrote:Bismarck Century boys beat Mandan boys 94-44. 50 point margin.
Bismarck Century boys beats Legacy boys 76-35. 39 point margin.
Dickinson boys beat Belcourt boys 89-44. 45 point margin.
Minot boys beat Saint Mary's boys 91-47. 44 point margin.
Minot girls beat Dickinson girls 61-18. 43 point margin.
Belcourt girls beat Dickinson girls 77-42. 35 point margin.
Fargo Davies boys beat Valley City boys 92-64. 38 point margin.
Red River boys beat Central boys 67-40. 37 point margin.
West Fargo boys beat West Fargo Sheyenne boys 87-65. 22 point margin.
Fargo Davies girls beat Valley City girls 83-61. 22 point margin.
Fargo Davies girls beat West Fargo Sheyenne girls 88-61. 27 point margin.
Red River girls beat Fargo South girls 83-48. 35 point margin.
Fargo Shanley girls beat Fargo South girls 86-33. 53 point margin.
Fargo Shanley girls beat Fargo North girls 87-30. 57 point margin.
Fargo Shanley girls beat Red River girls 72-40. 32 point margin.
All of these games were decided by 20+ points. The winning team in all of these games scored at least 60 points. Heimer, are the coaches of all of these winning teams lacking class and destroying the integrity of the game by choosing not to play a 2-3 match up (makes no sense by the way) and running a different offense than the 8 second high low?
A person like me tends to think that Fargo Shanley girls' average win margin of 47.3 points has a lot to do with the D1 point guard, D2 wing, and D1 post prospect on the team, and much less to do with Tim Jacobson lacking class. Also, in my interactions with him, he really is a classy guy.
Just to add to this. Last season Fargo Shanley went 27-0. In the regular season they scored over 60 in all but 2 games and had 4 games decided by a margin of less than 20, and had more than 10 games decided by a margin of more than 30. Does their coach and program have no class and lack integrity?
heimer wrote:Glad you got messages of holy support from parents and players. I love it when the inmates run the asylum.
Which is the problem in the first place.
The very fact that you put 30 and 35 point games in the same category of 85-15 and 66-6 illustrates your complete denial of the truth and common sense, and you're a mod, which makes me shake my head.
I've received actual phone calls from former coaches that support my position, accusing specific coaches of running up the score in many sports for personal records and notoriety.
Denial is fun, though, so I get it. If you're into denial, you can actually wish away the holocaust, the moon landings, and even 9-11. There are some people that think the towers are still there and it was all a fake. It takes that kind of lack of common sense to support your position.
heimer wrote:If your team is good enough to beat your competition by 70, and there's a class of basketball above you, you're not working as hard as you can all of the time.
balla45 wrote:heimer wrote:If your team is good enough to beat your competition by 70, and there's a class of basketball above you, you're not working as hard as you can all of the time.
Makes zero sense. I think I understand your train of thought, but it makes zero sense.
balla45 wrote:I do not think it is a good life lesson to teach, "if you are good at something, hide your talents so others are not offended by them."
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