ndlionsfan wrote:They qualified for state one of the last years they were A. I'd consider that competing. How many years were they in A? 4-5?
ndlionsfan wrote:I thought they made it to state in boys bb, too. Maybe they were in the top half of the region, but got upset in the tournament instead?
Run4Fun2009 wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:I thought they made it to state in boys bb, too. Maybe they were in the top half of the region, but got upset in the tournament instead?
2000 they made it...fixed list above.
They were 5th in the WDA for 3 years and in their final year they were 4th but were beat out in the WDA tourney.
The Schwab wrote:I understand where you are coming from with this, but don't expect me to feel sorry for the "Big B's" who have routinely dominated the "Small B's" in their region for years. Now they get a taste of their own medicine when they have to play Class A.
heimer wrote:The BOD showed a glimpse of forward thought and moved the enrollment cutoff number to 400. This dropped Valley City to Class B status.
Valley City was assigned to District 5, which infuriated the Kool-Aid sippers in the district, and they organized an effort to amend the NDHSAA Constitution bylaws.
The bylaws were changed mandating that any two-division system the state employs must use 325 as the cutoff. The rationale was that the move "only affected one school" and played favorites to Valley City.
Enter Watford City.
Had the number been left alone, Watford City would have some extra time to prepare for A basketball. As it is, due to factors out of their control, they will be forced to A in two years.
It's interesting how the D5 head-hanchos, with hand over their heart looking back on 1976, were more forward-thinking in saying the move "only affected one school."
But, that's who we believe, isn't it?
Of course, it's not all the Sacred Soilers fault. They did, after all, give the BOD a way out (they left the power of creating a 3-division system with the BOD).
But, that slanted crystal ball that District 5 used to look forward was obviously cloudy. The Wolves have only the Sacred Soil to blame.
Bisonguy06 wrote:Her is my prediction, mark it down. Watford City will be a larger school district than Valley City, Wahpeton, Bismarck St. Mary's, and Fargo Shanley when it enters class A athletics, and it will be approaching the size of Devils Lake and Turtle Mountain. We are supposed to feel sorry for Watford city and redraw the map when it will be larger than 4 to 6 schools when it enters the division?
I heard from a Watford City coach that they had 40 freshmen girls out for volleyball this year, and they had to cut 20 of them. Those participation numbers are unimaginable in a class B town, and are much more in line with class A. They will hold their own in just a matter of a few years.
heimer wrote:Bisonguy06 wrote:Her is my prediction, mark it down. Watford City will be a larger school district than Valley City, Wahpeton, Bismarck St. Mary's, and Fargo Shanley when it enters class A athletics, and it will be approaching the size of Devils Lake and Turtle Mountain. We are supposed to feel sorry for Watford city and redraw the map when it will be larger than 4 to 6 schools when it enters the division?
I heard from a Watford City coach that they had 40 freshmen girls out for volleyball this year, and they had to cut 20 of them. Those participation numbers are unimaginable in a class B town, and are much more in line with class A. They will hold their own in just a matter of a few years.
Your prediction may very well serve to be accurate.
Nevertheless, it's clear that Watford City would fit BETTER in a middle division, as would the four-to-six schools it will be bigger than.
And your enrollment ranges (see earlier post) again protect a handful of privates that enjoy the fruits of large-town living at the small school level. Take the schools in your enrollment range and add every parochial that is in a Class A town, and you get to 16 or so pretty fast.
Central Cass
Grafton
Valley City
Wahpeton
Devils Lake
Shanley
St Marys
Watford City
Fargo Oak Grove
Minot Our Redeemers
Dickinson Trinity
Trinity Christian
Minot Ryan
Shiloh Christian
Beulah
Hazen
There's 16 pretty easy. And that doesn't include some of those aforementioned communities that are growing and on the cusp of moving up.
But no, protect those privates that love big-city life.....until tournament time. Great system.
heimer wrote:Bisonguy06 wrote:Her is my prediction, mark it down. Watford City will be a larger school district than Valley City, Wahpeton, Bismarck St. Mary's, and Fargo Shanley when it enters class A athletics, and it will be approaching the size of Devils Lake and Turtle Mountain. We are supposed to feel sorry for Watford city and redraw the map when it will be larger than 4 to 6 schools when it enters the division?
I heard from a Watford City coach that they had 40 freshmen girls out for volleyball this year, and they had to cut 20 of them. Those participation numbers are unimaginable in a class B town, and are much more in line with class A. They will hold their own in just a matter of a few years.
Your prediction may very well serve to be accurate.
Nevertheless, it's clear that Watford City would fit BETTER in a middle division, as would the four-to-six schools it will be bigger than.
And your enrollment ranges (see earlier post) again protect a handful of privates that enjoy the fruits of large-town living at the small school level. Take the schools in your enrollment range and add every parochial that is in a Class A town, and you get to 16 or so pretty fast.
Central Cass
Grafton
Valley City
Wahpeton
Devils Lake
Shanley
St Marys
Watford City
Fargo Oak Grove
Minot Our Redeemers
Dickinson Trinity
Trinity Christian
Minot Ryan
Shiloh Christian
Beulah
Hazen
There's 16 pretty easy. And that doesn't include some of those aforementioned communities that are growing and on the cusp of moving up.
But no, protect those privates that love big-city life.....until tournament time. Great system.
heimer wrote:Bisonguy06 wrote:Her is my prediction, mark it down. Watford City will be a larger school district than Valley City, Wahpeton, Bismarck St. Mary's, and Fargo Shanley when it enters class A athletics, and it will be approaching the size of Devils Lake and Turtle Mountain. We are supposed to feel sorry for Watford city and redraw the map when it will be larger than 4 to 6 schools when it enters the division?
I heard from a Watford City coach that they had 40 freshmen girls out for volleyball this year, and they had to cut 20 of them. Those participation numbers are unimaginable in a class B town, and are much more in line with class A. They will hold their own in just a matter of a few years.
Your prediction may very well serve to be accurate.
Nevertheless, it's clear that Watford City would fit BETTER in a middle division, as would the four-to-six schools it will be bigger than.
And your enrollment ranges (see earlier post) again protect a handful of privates that enjoy the fruits of large-town living at the small school level. Take the schools in your enrollment range and add every parochial that is in a Class A town, and you get to 16 or so pretty fast.
Central Cass
Grafton
Valley City
Wahpeton
Devils Lake
Shanley
St Marys
Watford City
Fargo Oak Grove
Minot Our Redeemers
Dickinson Trinity
Trinity Christian
Minot Ryan
Shiloh Christian
Beulah
Hazen
There's 16 pretty easy. And that doesn't include some of those aforementioned communities that are growing and on the cusp of moving up.
But no, protect those privates that love big-city life.....until tournament time. Great system.
Sniper wrote:A few things to consider when talking about a three class system and who is placed in the middle class:
3. One of the main reasons people want to keep the two class system is because of how big an event the class b state tournament has become.
Bisonguy06 wrote:heimer wrote:Bisonguy06 wrote:Her is my prediction, mark it down. Watford City will be a larger school district than Valley City, Wahpeton, Bismarck St. Mary's, and Fargo Shanley when it enters class A athletics, and it will be approaching the size of Devils Lake and Turtle Mountain. We are supposed to feel sorry for Watford city and redraw the map when it will be larger than 4 to 6 schools when it enters the division?
I heard from a Watford City coach that they had 40 freshmen girls out for volleyball this year, and they had to cut 20 of them. Those participation numbers are unimaginable in a class B town, and are much more in line with class A. They will hold their own in just a matter of a few years.
Your prediction may very well serve to be accurate.
Nevertheless, it's clear that Watford City would fit BETTER in a middle division, as would the four-to-six schools it will be bigger than.
And your enrollment ranges (see earlier post) again protect a handful of privates that enjoy the fruits of large-town living at the small school level. Take the schools in your enrollment range and add every parochial that is in a Class A town, and you get to 16 or so pretty fast.
Central Cass
Grafton
Valley City
Wahpeton
Devils Lake
Shanley
St Marys
Watford City
Fargo Oak Grove
Minot Our Redeemers
Dickinson Trinity
Trinity Christian
Minot Ryan
Shiloh Christian
Beulah
Hazen
There's 16 pretty easy. And that doesn't include some of those aforementioned communities that are growing and on the cusp of moving up.
But no, protect those privates that love big-city life.....until tournament time. Great system.
I have clearly, repeatedly agreed that the private schools have built-in advantages.
I have simply repeated what the NDHSAA has been given in terms of legal counsel regarding a weighted formula for private school enrollment (can't do it, wouldn't withstand a legal challenge).
Your beef is with that legal opinion, not with me. But that's the road block that this middle division plan faces.
heimer wrote:Until we acknowledge that privates get a better kid by nature of them being private, we get nowhere. No defined district=middle division or above. That will stand up in court. They have different enrollment standards, as they have no district.
ndlionsfan wrote:Sniper wrote:A few things to consider when talking about a three class system and who is placed in the middle class:
3. One of the main reasons people want to keep the two class system is because of how big an event the class b state tournament has become.
I actually think the popularity of the state B tourney has gone down in the last 10 years
Sniper wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:Sniper wrote:A few things to consider when talking about a three class system and who is placed in the middle class:
3. One of the main reasons people want to keep the two class system is because of how big an event the class b state tournament has become.
I actually think the popularity of the state B tourney has gone down in the last 10 years
Do you think the fact that we have tournament regulars like the big class B schools and the private schools that are playing in it almost every year has something to do with it?
ndlionsfan wrote:Sniper wrote:A few things to consider when talking about a three class system and who is placed in the middle class:
3. One of the main reasons people want to keep the two class system is because of how big an event the class b state tournament has become.
I actually think the popularity of the state B tourney has gone down in the last 10 years
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