packers21 wrote:HAND CHECKING is going to be huge...just like the college game...Might ease up some once the season gets rolling but right away anytime a defensive player places their hands on an offensive player it is going to be called no matter what...Lots of early bonus and games dragging on until the adjustment period is over
senditin wrote:FWM - Grafton game, 71 free throw were attempted. Everything was called! I mean everything. Made for a long game. We dont go to games to watch the officials but I guess thats what the hsaa wants.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:packers21 wrote:HAND CHECKING is going to be huge...just like the college game...Might ease up some once the season gets rolling but right away anytime a defensive player places their hands on an offensive player it is going to be called no matter what...Lots of early bonus and games dragging on until the adjustment period is over
It'll all depend on the official too. but yes this will cause some issues early...especially for teams that aren't very deep.
classB4ever wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:packers21 wrote:HAND CHECKING is going to be huge...just like the college game...Might ease up some once the season gets rolling but right away anytime a defensive player places their hands on an offensive player it is going to be called no matter what...Lots of early bonus and games dragging on until the adjustment period is over
It'll all depend on the official too. but yes this will cause some issues early...especially for teams that aren't very deep.
Personally, I think it's about time they enforced "the rules". And I hope they continue to do it from the pro level all the way down to high school. I also think it will benefit teams that are not deep. It allows younger, less physical kids to at least play. If an older, stronger kid wants to d them up, then use their speed and smarts without pushing and hacking. Believe it or not, I know of teams that are taught to "hack" and "foul hard" because they have a deep bench and can get away with it. Quite frankly, they wear the refs down and start getting away with these hacking fouls. IMHO, I think it is about time the game is called according to the rule book. I think it will make the refs job easier as well by eliminating the gray area as well as each ref interpreting the rules differently. Good players will adjust, and if they don't they will foul out. 2 cents.
sportsphenom wrote:classB4ever wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:packers21 wrote:HAND CHECKING is going to be huge...just like the college game...Might ease up some once the season gets rolling but right away anytime a defensive player places their hands on an offensive player it is going to be called no matter what...Lots of early bonus and games dragging on until the adjustment period is over
It'll all depend on the official too. but yes this will cause some issues early...especially for teams that aren't very deep.
Personally, I think it's about time they enforced "the rules". And I hope they continue to do it from the pro level all the way down to high school. I also think it will benefit teams that are not deep. It allows younger, less physical kids to at least play. If an older, stronger kid wants to d them up, then use their speed and smarts without pushing and hacking. Believe it or not, I know of teams that are taught to "hack" and "foul hard" because they have a deep bench and can get away with it. Quite frankly, they wear the refs down and start getting away with these hacking fouls. IMHO, I think it is about time the game is called according to the rule book. I think it will make the refs job easier as well by eliminating the gray area as well as each ref interpreting the rules differently. Good players will adjust, and if they don't they will foul out. 2 cents.
Agree with you 100% and this is something that should have been done sooner. Its hard to watch a game that turns into a football game by the end of it.
lovwatchingsports wrote:but on he other hand so is a game that is called so close that they can not breathe on each other and you have all the starters on the bench. and I am not talking pushing and hacking. If you go straight by the rule book you could not touch each other. How is that possible.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:So I had this sent to me today from Kenmare/Ray's 63-58 OT game (media source):
"There were 63 fouls, 83 free shows were shot, the game lasted 2 hours 45 minutes. Ray dressed eight players and three fouled out by the end of regulation. Just as overtime started, a fourth fouled out and then the next two. So, with 9 seconds left in overtime, the Ray Jays were playing with two players on the court."
63 fouls, 83 FTs...that's a lot!
LBC wrote:Lots of talk about officials calling the game by the rules. Also lots of talk of Defensive hand check, which I totally agree needs to be called. Here is my issue...I am pleading with officials to call the game by the rules, this means that an offensive player does not have a free lane to the basket, I am tired of seeing defensive fouls being called when it is the offensive player that initiates contact. It also means a defensive player, when contesting a shot has a right to his or her space up to the roof, I am tired of seeing good defense being called fouls because officials think that any touch must be a defensive foul. Not all officials, mind you, there are plenty good ones, but I have seen enough.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:So I had this sent to me today from Kenmare/Ray's 63-58 OT game (media source):
"There were 63 fouls, 83 free shows were shot, the game lasted 2 hours 45 minutes. Ray dressed eight players and three fouled out by the end of regulation. Just as overtime started, a fourth fouled out and then the next two. So, with 9 seconds left in overtime, the Ray Jays were playing with two players on the court."
63 fouls, 83 FTs...that's a lot!
HONKER wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:So I had this sent to me today from Kenmare/Ray's 63-58 OT game (media source):
"There were 63 fouls, 83 free shows were shot, the game lasted 2 hours 45 minutes. Ray dressed eight players and three fouled out by the end of regulation. Just as overtime started, a fourth fouled out and then the next two. So, with 9 seconds left in overtime, the Ray Jays were playing with two players on the court."
63 fouls, 83 FTs...that's a lot!
Sounds like it's went a little overboard. They will lose a lot of fan base if it stays that way.
lovwatchingsports wrote:HONKER wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:So I had this sent to me today from Kenmare/Ray's 63-58 OT game (media source):
"There were 63 fouls, 83 free shows were shot, the game lasted 2 hours 45 minutes. Ray dressed eight players and three fouled out by the end of regulation. Just as overtime started, a fourth fouled out and then the next two. So, with 9 seconds left in overtime, the Ray Jays were playing with two players on the court."
63 fouls, 83 FTs...that's a lot!
Sounds like it's went a little overboard. They will lose a lot of fan base if it stays that way.
Talked to a Velva Alumi, Berthold Velva game. 57 fouls called, six kids fouled out.
Hinsa wrote:I agree that 63 and 57 fouls are too many. But it is up to the kids to adjust to how the game is called. I hope the refs stick to their guns because with hand checking and bumping removed from the game, all of a sudden grace and fluidity and George Gervin and Dr. J like moves come back into the game. And Heaven forbid that a post player can gain position on the block and keep it without getting into a sumo match.
The Schwab wrote:The only problem I would have with these new rules is the same as every other year:
If it's a foul in the 1st quarter it's a foul in the 4th quarter. I don't care if it's a good players 5th foul or a bench players 1st foul, a foul is a foul. Whatever you decide to call, call it both ways.
LBC wrote:Lots of talk about officials calling the game by the rules. Also lots of talk of Defensive hand check, which I totally agree needs to be called. Here is my issue...I am pleading with officials to call the game by the rules, this means that an offensive player does not have a free lane to the basket, I am tired of seeing defensive fouls being called when it is the offensive player that initiates contact. It also means a defensive player, when contesting a shot has a right to his or her space up to the roof, I am tired of seeing good defense being called fouls because officials think that any touch must be a defensive foul. Not all officials, mind you, there are plenty good ones, but I have seen enough.
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