woodchuck10 wrote:Do other Towns have a few "bad eggs" in the crowd or is it just St John? I'm not saying our whole crowd is but like I said a few "bad eggs". Anyone else have this problem of blaming the refs for everything and being totally one sided and negative throughout the game.
woodchuck10 wrote:Well thank God his kid is a senior. Shouldn't have to listen to him next year then. its honestly embarrassing, I'm sorry I'm venting on here haha
Run4Fun2009 wrote:woodchuck10 wrote:Well thank God his kid is a senior. Shouldn't have to listen to him next year then. its honestly embarrassing, I'm sorry I'm venting on here haha
In some cases, its the parents that are the issues...in other cases its the students. But in my opinion there isn't a school in the state that doesn't have issues with fans.
old#63 wrote:Hey, I know what you mean, woodchuck. I've got one for you. This was a few years ago, but I still remember it. My daughter was on a 7th grade girls basketball team. Away game, and a couple of high school boys had volunteered to ref it. A parent of one of my daughter's teammates gets so freaked out about a foul call that he stands up, explodes in a tirade of swear words and vulgar rants that goes on for what seemed like forever. Anyway, the principal of the school we were at comes over and politely asks him to quiet down. Does he? No. He then starts in about the whole school and what a dump it is and how stupid everybody in the town is. Eventually he leaves (kicked out). Did I mention this was a 7th grade girls basketball game?????
I was never so embarrassed to be associated with a fan in my life. Luckily, the guy was at least smart enough ban himself from ever attending a game again. His daughter and my daughter played ball together until they graduated and he never attended another game. Missed her whole carreer just because he couldn't control himself.
It's just a game, you guys!
14OldSchool wrote:Good topic. So good I had to chime in.
Adult refs would help keep some of this fan anger down to a minimum.
I believe that adult refs (with some training & experience) are more likely to keep the physical play in check. Blowing the whistle early in a game for on a push in the back in the paint going for rebound (probably the most dangerous situation) or a reach or slap on the perimeter really helps keep the rest of the game clean and fans quiet. Coaches teach these kids to NOT do this and will remind them to stop it in their huddles.
Also, refs who 'talk through their whistle' and remind players to go up straight, watch the hand checks, clear the lane, etc. help the flow of the game and educate players on what is within the rules and what isn't.
Kids know the rules, they just get excited sometimes going for a steal, a rebound or a block. Or they get so wrapped up in running the offense they forget to clear the lane. Just kids being kids. AND, as an example, if fans hear you helping remind kids to do these things, they will understand more when you call an overt 3 second violation, and also if you don't. At least that's been my experience.
This helps prevent injuries and keep things as even as possible. That is mostly what I hear fans and coaches chirping about, safety. Rightfully so. There is a lot of disparity in sizes, shapes and skill levels in 7th, 8th and 9th grades. Bad things can happen quickly if it gets out of control - make sure it doesn't.
Whoever can solve that will reduce the complaints by 50% or more.
The Schwab wrote:
Completely agree unless the bolded spot goes for high school games, because we have officials here who do that and it drives me crazy, at the high school level if it is a foul, then blow your whistle.
EHS1998 wrote:Great input.
The biggest pet peeve I have in terms of officials is how they call post play.
Often times they let smaller players get away with a lot of things (grabbing, hugging, pushing) when playing a bigger opponent but do not call it the same way for the larger player when they are on D. How demoralizing must it be for a post player to get mauled by double and triple teams on one end then get called for barely making contact on the defensive end?
Also, flopping is getting out of hand and is a serious safety issue. Taking charges is an awesome part of the game and I love it, but falling down everytime an opponent comes near them is ridiculous. Unfortunately, more often than not, if it is a larger kid "knockng over" a smaller kid, the ref will call it. Now if a player, no matter what size they are buries a shoulder to create space, that is an offensive foul, no doubt.
Again, none of these examples warrants a tirade against a ref, just things I would like to see improved, if possible.
I know it isnt an easy job and I am thankful for those that do it. By and large they do a great job and we are lucky to have them.
winner-within wrote:IMO the three calls being missed/or inconsistent
-Traveling
-Over the Back (on rebound and when defender comes over the post to try and slap the ball)
-reaching in (they don't call it all game and then call it going into the lsat 2 mins when its close)
eyeinthesky wrote:winner-within wrote:IMO the three calls being missed/or inconsistent
-Traveling
-Over the Back (on rebound and when defender comes over the post to try and slap the ball)
-reaching in (they don't call it all game and then call it going into the lsat 2 mins when its close)
The last two of your three listed are not fouls. People that complain about things being called or not being called need to actually read a rule book. "Over the back" and "reaching in" are not fouls!
woodchuck10 wrote:Refs are not the issue. Its the fans that think the refs are out to get you. Where every single call against you is a bad call and wrong. Its always the least educated and fans that never even played or reffed a game themselves for that matter.
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