2011-12 Polls

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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby 4mrnative » Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:51 pm

bballuvr wrote:NS playing a tougher schedule for sure. Great team no doubt.

One of the easiest statements to make is "that team isn't that good". LaMoure guys probably as grounded as any group of young men could be. Polls mean nothing to their coaching staff and I'm sure kids too. They have no choice but to play the schedule an AD made for them. What they have done is won every game so far by 13-27 points. 9-0

They will have a couple nice tests in Hatton-Northwood and Heart River over break. Loss might not hurt them. They are not a team to go out and "wow" anybody. They will defend hard, can push a bit, and can match up size and physicallity with many.

Loboes good example of a team that will play tails off whether 0 losses or 3 or 5 or 6. Might be a tough club to beat late in season if u run into them. To underestimate them might or might not be a good idea.


bballuvr...thoughtful, spot on and positively positioned. It's refreshing to hear the voices of reason...
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby Agreed » Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:31 pm

Agreed
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby tiger_22 » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:07 pm

Trenton is 6-0 as of tonight with a win over Stanley
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:24 am

4th Poll
(12/26/11)

1. North Star (10) 8-0 100
2. Berthold 7-0 90
3. LaMoure 10-0 69
4. Beulah 7-1 53
5. Grafton 6-1 50
6. Dickinson Trinity 8-0 48
7. New Town 6-0 39
8. Central Cass 7-0 34
9. Bottineau 5-0 33
10. Hatton-Northwood 4-1 24

Others Receiving Votes: Rugby (8-0), Hazen (8-0), Griggs County Central (7-1)
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:35 pm

5th Poll

(1/2/12)

1. North Star (10) 8-0 100
2. Berthold 7-0 86
3. LaMoure 12-0 76
4. Dickinson Trinity 8-0 57
5. Beulah 8-1 55
6. Grafton 7-1 48
7. Central Cass 8-0 43
8. New Town 7-0 34
9. Bottineau 8-0 29
10. Hatton-Northwood 4-3 9

Others Receiving Votes: Rugby (8-0), Griggs County Central (8-1), Hazen (8-0), Maple Valley (7-1), New England (6-2).
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby senditin » Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:26 pm

How does HN get in with 3 losses? FW-M Has 3 losses to top ten teams and a class A team and cant even get a vote.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby Mike Ditka » Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:56 am

Yeah I have to agree...kind of a snub to both Rugby and Hazen who have beaten whats been put in front of them.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby d_fense » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:31 am

senditin wrote:How does HN get in with 3 losses? FW-M Has 3 losses to top ten teams and a class A team and cant even get a vote.


I would guess it is because there 3 losses were to #2 or 3 Grafton when playing without the Pederson's, then to Ada, Min. who probablly would have won the N.D. State B tourney two of the last 3 years, and to #3 LaMoure on the road.

They have not played as well as I thought they would, but if there is such a thing as a quality loss, they have 3...
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby StraightUpBallin » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:13 am

Run4Fun2009 wrote:5th Poll

(1/2/12)

1. North Star (10) 8-0 100
2. Berthold 7-0 86
3. LaMoure 12-0 76
4. Dickinson Trinity 8-0 57
5. Beulah 8-1 55
6. Grafton 7-1 48
7. Central Cass 8-0 43
8. New Town 7-0 34
9. Bottineau 8-0 29
10. Hatton-Northwood 4-3 9

Others Receiving Votes: Rugby (8-0), Griggs County Central (8-1), Hazen (8-0), Maple Valley (7-1), New England (6-2).

My guess is Beulah and Hatton-Northwood fall out of the top 10, Rugby Hazen move into the top 10!
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:13 pm

StraightUpBallin wrote:
Run4Fun2009 wrote:5th Poll

(1/2/12)

1. North Star (10) 8-0 100
2. Berthold 7-0 86
3. LaMoure 12-0 76
4. Dickinson Trinity 8-0 57
5. Beulah 8-1 55
6. Grafton 7-1 48
7. Central Cass 8-0 43
8. New Town 7-0 34
9. Bottineau 8-0 29
10. Hatton-Northwood 4-3 9

Others Receiving Votes: Rugby (8-0), Griggs County Central (8-1), Hazen (8-0), Maple Valley (7-1), New England (6-2).

My guess is Beulah and Hatton-Northwood fall out of the top 10, Rugby Hazen move into the top 10!


Don't be shock to see New Town fall out after losing last week. I felt like they were only ranked because they were undefeated.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:41 pm

6th Poll
01/09/12

1. North Star (13) 9-0 130
2. Berthold 9-0 106
3. LaMoure 13-0 103
4. Dickinson Trinity 11-0 101
5. Central Cass 10-0 67
6. Grafton 9-1 66
7. Bottineau 10-0 42
8. Hazen 10-0 41
9. Beulah 9-2 18
10. Rugby 10-0 16

Others Receiving Votes: Hatton-Northwood (6-3), New Town (8-1), Maple Valley (8-1), Griggs County Central (9-2).
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:42 pm

What shocks me is that New England received votes in the 5th Poll but after defeating New Town last week by 18 points they don't receive votes this week?!
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby bison football73 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:46 pm

Hazen at 8???? c'mon man. should be higher and so should trinity
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby defense1st » Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:41 am

bison football73 wrote:Hazen at 8???? c'mon man. should be higher and so should trinity

Who do you move? It's hard to move anybody lower than they already are.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby bison football73 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:17 am

I think berthold and trinity switch and then Hazen and Grafton switch. I just think if you r undefeated u should deserve more credit then the teams with losses. Also why I think if Beulah even stays on they should be at 10 and Grafton at 9 but that's just my opinion I know that's not how its gonna be.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:27 am

In My Opinion:

First, Hazen finally beat a notable team in Beulah; however I do agree they could be one spot up (and so could Bottineau).

Grafton lost to North Star so their strength of schedule helps them in being ranked higher. (however, I would have put them #8 instead of #6).

Beulah's two losses are to undefeated teams in North Star and Hazen so this helps keep them ranked in the Top 10.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby NodakQ2 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:44 pm

This will sort itself out as the season progresses. Hazen could be a spot or two higher and I think LaMoure is a bit over-rated but undefeated. From the games I've seen, both Hazen and a healthy Grafton team are better than LaMoure. Tough to leave the undefeatededs out of the top spots until they get beat.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby senditin » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:36 am

Hard to beleive the writers who vote in the poll can't see FW-M as a top ten team or even get a vote. I guarentee to you, if there's a team in the state the people in Cando don't want to see, it's the Indians. This is a different team that lost to NS by 3 in december. They should see each other in the region 4 championship game.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby vikingman » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:10 pm

North Star is also a different team than they were in December. Not saying that they would for certain beat FW-M, but BOTH teams played a bad game that night.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby TouchdownPack » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:53 pm

NodakQ2 wrote:This will sort itself out as the season progresses. Hazen could be a spot or two higher and I think LaMoure is a bit over-rated but undefeated. From the games I've seen, both Hazen and a healthy Grafton team are better than LaMoure. Tough to leave the undefeatededs out of the top spots until they get beat.

I have the same feeling although LaMoure is undefeated they have had a pretty easy scheduale even though they beat a couple or very tough teams in H/N and H/R. Their biggest tasks are behind them. and they will more thn likely stay at the three spot or maybe drop a couple but will stay up only because i feel they will finish out the regular season undefeated
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby BB11 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:13 pm

scc wrote:
TouchdownPack wrote:
NodakQ2 wrote:This will sort itself out as the season progresses. Hazen could be a spot or two higher and I think LaMoure is a bit over-rated but undefeated. From the games I've seen, both Hazen and a healthy Grafton team are better than LaMoure. Tough to leave the undefeatededs out of the top spots until they get beat.

I have the same feeling although LaMoure is undefeated they have had a pretty easy scheduale even though they beat a couple or very tough teams in H/N and H/R. Their biggest tasks are behind them. and they will more thn likely stay at the three spot or maybe drop a couple but will stay up only because i feel they will finish out the regular season undefeated

Of the 10 teams in the most recent poll, LaMoure has played the sixth strongest schedule. Source: http://www.ndrpi.com


Interesting site. The one stat I didn't understand is the EWP (Expected Winning %) as some teams have an expected winning % either higher or lower than what they could actually achieve. Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong. EX: Team has EWP of 840 yet they are 7-7 - impossible to get that high even if they run table and win state. Also saw other teams EWP as low as 002 but they already had a couple or three wins. Please explain this formula. Also - just for curiousity's sake - Is Run the man behind the site? I've always wondered how you get all the info you get?????? :shock:
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby BB11 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:51 am

scc wrote:
BB11 wrote:
scc wrote:
TouchdownPack wrote:
NodakQ2 wrote:This will sort itself out as the season progresses. Hazen could be a spot or two higher and I think LaMoure is a bit over-rated but undefeated. From the games I've seen, both Hazen and a healthy Grafton team are better than LaMoure. Tough to leave the undefeatededs out of the top spots until they get beat.

I have the same feeling although LaMoure is undefeated they have had a pretty easy scheduale even though they beat a couple or very tough teams in H/N and H/R. Their biggest tasks are behind them. and they will more thn likely stay at the three spot or maybe drop a couple but will stay up only because i feel they will finish out the regular season undefeated

Of the 10 teams in the most recent poll, LaMoure has played the sixth strongest schedule. Source: http://www.ndrpi.com


Interesting site. The one stat I didn't understand is the EWP (Expected Winning %) as some teams have an expected winning % either higher or lower than what they could actually achieve. Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong. EX: Team has EWP of 840 yet they are 7-7 - impossible to get that high even if they run table and win state. Also saw other teams EWP as low as 002 but they already had a couple or three wins. Please explain this formula. Also - just for curiousity's sake - Is Run the man behind the site? I've always wondered how you get all the info you get?????? :shock:

The EWP is derived from a formula that attempts to determine if a team is doing better or worse than expected. If the actual winning percentage is greater than the EWP, the team is overachieving or has good luck. Likewise, if the actual winning percentage is lower than the EWP, they are underachieving or have bad luck. In other words, the EWP isn't where they're expected to be at the end of the season. It's about where they're expected to be right now. It's only a formula, though, so don't take it too seriously.


Run isn't behind the website, but he is kind enough to help submit scores and corrections.


Thanks SCC - that makes a lot more sense to me now. Appreciate it.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby theworldismine1999 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:43 pm

scc wrote:
TouchdownPack wrote:
NodakQ2 wrote:This will sort itself out as the season progresses. Hazen could be a spot or two higher and I think LaMoure is a bit over-rated but undefeated. From the games I've seen, both Hazen and a healthy Grafton team are better than LaMoure. Tough to leave the undefeatededs out of the top spots until they get beat.

I have the same feeling although LaMoure is undefeated they have had a pretty easy scheduale even though they beat a couple or very tough teams in H/N and H/R. Their biggest tasks are behind them. and they will more thn likely stay at the three spot or maybe drop a couple but will stay up only because i feel they will finish out the regular season undefeated

Of the 10 teams in the most recent poll, LaMoure has played the sixth strongest schedule. Source: http://www.ndrpi.com

Wow i never would have guessed that :? :shock:
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby KG4MVP » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:30 pm

Where is the new poll??
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby ND_beast » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:34 pm

7th Poll
1/16/12

1. North Star (12) 11-0 120
2. Berthold 12-0 103
3. LaMoure 14-0 95
4. Central Cass 12-0 85
5. Grafton 11-1 70
6. Hazen 12-0 55
7. Dickinson Trinity 12-1 51
8. Bottineau 12-1 32
9. Rugby 11-0 25
10. Beulah 10-3 12

Others receiving votes: Maple Valley (9-1), Griggs County Central (10-2), Four Winds-Minnewaukan (10-3), Hatton-Northwood (8-4).
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