Run4Fun2009 wrote:point differential wouldn't matter anyways because there is a 17-point maximum.
ndlionsfan wrote:I agree that these instances are definitely classless and there is no way getting around that.
I was accused once about running up the score, being classless, etc. as a coach. The situation was we were in the last JH game of the year and up I think 20 pts. There were only a couple minutes left and we had the ball down around the 25 yard line. I had one kid that was a freshmen playing JH because he was too small and uncoordinated. Coached him for 3 years and he hadn't got a lot of plays in where he got the ball so I wanted to try to get him a TD. Had him at wideout and tried to throw a simple out to him. Incomplete. Then ran a 90lb 7th grade RB on a dive for 5-6 yards. Tried another simple out to him same side of the field, same formation....incomplete. Another dive with the same RB for a 1st down. Tried one last pass to the kid as time was going out and he finally caught it and ran 15 yards for a TD as time expired. The other sideline, coaches and fans, were ticked. I wasn't doing anything fancy and the plays were very predictable and easy to stop. I had actually done the same thing on the previous series before we lost it on downs. Then after a couple plays the other team fumbled it back to us. To me, this wasn't classless but others still think it was and it has bothered me a bit for a while now. I guess the point of this story is that there may be another reason in some of these instances, however, with the ones you described in the first post, I don't think there is any way to construe them to be acceptible.
mavs64 wrote:I don't think it is right to critize a coach without knowing all the facts. You don't know if the coach that was trying to get that kid a touchdown hadn't try several times before earlier in games and been unsuccessful. It is sometimes hard for people that have those star players that score almost every time they touch the ball to understand what it is like to watch a kid give everything he has every day both at practice and in the game and never have the thrill of getting a touchdown. How many parents have heard their kids say " All I want is one qb sack or one reception " with a tear in their eyes? I wasn't at that game, but as long as the coach told the other coach after the game why he did what he did so the other coach could tell his team so they wouldn't feel bad I think it was ok.
As for the onsides kick late in a game they were up big I don't believe in that either, but there may have been a reason for that too. Was the regular kicker hurt? Sometimes when you put a backup kicker in they miss hit a ball that looks like an onsides kick.
Do coaches sometimes run up scores? YES, but I don't think people should judge coaches. Even if you are at the games you don't know the players or what happens at practice or what the team's injuries are.
The Schwab wrote:mavs64 wrote:I don't think it is right to critize a coach without knowing all the facts. You don't know if the coach that was trying to get that kid a touchdown hadn't try several times before earlier in games and been unsuccessful. It is sometimes hard for people that have those star players that score almost every time they touch the ball to understand what it is like to watch a kid give everything he has every day both at practice and in the game and never have the thrill of getting a touchdown. How many parents have heard their kids say " All I want is one qb sack or one reception " with a tear in their eyes? I wasn't at that game, but as long as the coach told the other coach after the game why he did what he did so the other coach could tell his team so they wouldn't feel bad I think it was ok.
As for the onsides kick late in a game they were up big I don't believe in that either, but there may have been a reason for that too. Was the regular kicker hurt? Sometimes when you put a backup kicker in they miss hit a ball that looks like an onsides kick.
Do coaches sometimes run up scores? YES, but I don't think people should judge coaches. Even if you are at the games you don't know the players or what happens at practice or what the team's injuries are.
If you are far superior in talent where scoring a touchdown would be considered "running up the score" don't you think you could have worked the kid in earlier in the game, say when you were up by 3 td's in the first quarter/half? I also believe that it isn't a coaches job to stop his kids from scoring, if your scoring with your J.V. running the same offense I see nothing wrong with that.
In a game I witnessed this past week I watched a coach call 2 timeouts with under 2 minutes to go before halftime with a 44-6 lead just so his team could score another touchdown to be up 52-6 at halftime. In my opinion that is the ultimate punch in the face to the opposing team/coach.
justplayalready wrote:The Schwab wrote:mavs64 wrote:I don't think it is right to critize a coach without knowing all the facts. You don't know if the coach that was trying to get that kid a touchdown hadn't try several times before earlier in games and been unsuccessful. It is sometimes hard for people that have those star players that score almost every time they touch the ball to understand what it is like to watch a kid give everything he has every day both at practice and in the game and never have the thrill of getting a touchdown. How many parents have heard their kids say " All I want is one qb sack or one reception " with a tear in their eyes? I wasn't at that game, but as long as the coach told the other coach after the game why he did what he did so the other coach could tell his team so they wouldn't feel bad I think it was ok.
As for the onsides kick late in a game they were up big I don't believe in that either, but there may have been a reason for that too. Was the regular kicker hurt? Sometimes when you put a backup kicker in they miss hit a ball that looks like an onsides kick.
Do coaches sometimes run up scores? YES, but I don't think people should judge coaches. Even if you are at the games you don't know the players or what happens at practice or what the team's injuries are.
If you are far superior in talent where scoring a touchdown would be considered "running up the score" don't you think you could have worked the kid in earlier in the game, say when you were up by 3 td's in the first quarter/half? I also believe that it isn't a coaches job to stop his kids from scoring, if your scoring with your J.V. running the same offense I see nothing wrong with that.
In a game I witnessed this past week I watched a coach call 2 timeouts with under 2 minutes to go before halftime with a 44-6 lead just so his team could score another touchdown to be up 52-6 at halftime. In my opinion that is the ultimate punch in the face to the opposing team/coach.
A lot will depend on the situation and what has occurred so far in the season...with the above example, I witnessed something similar last weekend... A team is up 30 late in first half, by all means game is over. BUT, of the team's previous 7 games, the last 5 were over by the first quarter, you have the "region championship" game next week followed by hopefully a deep playoff run. The down team gets one and you have about 1 minute to half. I think now would be a time to see what you have for a two-minute offense????
The trick for a good coach is to balance out what is good for his team, as the teams season should not be compromised on making the other coach/team feeling good, and knowing when to call off the dogs. I've found that good coaches at this have at one time been on the bad end of these games.
mavs64 wrote:As for the onsides kick late in a game they were up big I don't believe in that either, but there may have been a reason for that too. Was the regular kicker hurt? Sometimes when you put a backup kicker in they miss hit a ball that looks like an onsides kick.
mavs64 wrote:Then that was not right!
vikingman wrote:Suppose you have a very good team (football OR basketball), and are up by a wide margin at half time of almost every game. Is it fair that your starters only get to play half a game just because they are so much better than the other team? Granted, you can call plays that are a bit more conservative (at least in football) , but those players have probably put in more practice time and worked harder in the off-season than others, and to limit them to only half a game doesn't seem right. In the 3rd quarter you can probably rotate a few JVs in amongst varsity players, and by a few minutes in to the 4th quarter it could be exclusively JV. To expect top-notch players to only play 'half a season' isn't fair to them. If NDHSAA decided to cut the football season down to 5 or 6 games everyone would be in opposition, yet essentially that is what a starter would be doing if he had to come out at halftime of every blowout.
vikingman wrote:Suppose you have a very good team (football OR basketball), and are up by a wide margin at half time of almost every game. Is it fair that your starters only get to play half a game just because they are so much better than the other team? Granted, you can call plays that are a bit more conservative (at least in football) , but those players have probably put in more practice time and worked harder in the off-season than others, and to limit them to only half a game doesn't seem right. In the 3rd quarter you can probably rotate a few JVs in amongst varsity players, and by a few minutes in to the 4th quarter it could be exclusively JV. To expect top-notch players to only play 'half a season' isn't fair to them. If NDHSAA decided to cut the football season down to 5 or 6 games everyone would be in opposition, yet essentially that is what a starter would be doing if he had to come out at halftime of every blowout.
golfguynd wrote:Coaching with class is more than just not running up the score. Yes it's sad to see a team running up the score but it's worse to see players looking to physically beat up the inferior team. Sometimes, the better team is just so much better that anything they do offensively will be a big play. That doesn't bother me as much as seeing the same guys that were scoring TD's now on defense, looking to decapitate 110 lb freshman and sophs. In my experience, class and respect could be shown more on defense by making a fundamental tackle, then help that young player up and give him a pat. I'm not saying let up on defense, but when you watch players on film playing a balanced team and they show you good tackling, not leading with the head or launching themselves at the players, and then against the weak team they are constantly looking to de-cleat players, or ear-hole guys, that is what I hate to see.
vikingman wrote:Suppose you have a very good team (football OR basketball), and are up by a wide margin at half time of almost every game. Is it fair that your starters only get to play half a game just because they are so much better than the other team? Granted, you can call plays that are a bit more conservative (at least in football) , but those players have probably put in more practice time and worked harder in the off-season than others, and to limit them to only half a game doesn't seem right. In the 3rd quarter you can probably rotate a few JVs in amongst varsity players, and by a few minutes in to the 4th quarter it could be exclusively JV. To expect top-notch players to only play 'half a season' isn't fair to them. If NDHSAA decided to cut the football season down to 5 or 6 games everyone would be in opposition, yet essentially that is what a starter would be doing if he had to come out at halftime of every blowout.
GRIDIRON GURU wrote:I agree there is coaching with class but every situation is different.
Back in the 80's and early 90's there was the 40 point rule where the game was over in the second half if a team was up by 40.
I was coaching high school football in the late 80's it was the last game of the year we had already secured a playoff spot. The team we played was not a bad team but we knew it was a winnable game for us this same team 40 pointed us a few years earlier. Our plan was to put the pedal to the floor get up by 40 and start preparing for the playoffs.
We did just that, scored on the last play of the first half to go up by 40, game over the opposing coach ripped us a new one, we knew it was comming but got over it in about 15 seconds.
In the same situation I would do it again.
GRIDIRON GURU wrote:I agree there is coaching with class but every situation is different.
Back in the 80's and early 90's there was the 40 point rule where the game was over in the second half if a team was up by 40.
I was coaching high school football in the late 80's it was the last game of the year we had already secured a playoff spot. The team we played was not a bad team but we knew it was a winnable game for us this same team 40 pointed us a few years earlier. Our plan was to put the pedal to the floor get up by 40 and start preparing for the playoffs.
We did just that, scored on the last play of the first half to go up by 40, game over the opposing coach ripped us a new one, we knew it was comming but got over it in about 15 seconds.
In the same situation I would do it again.
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