old#63 wrote:I think the bigger issue here is what will the NCAA do now. I would think that they would continue with their exclusion of UND from hosting home NCAA tournament games, wearing anything the contains the nickname or image while playing in NCAA tournaments, and encouraging NCAA members not to schedule UND in non-conference games. The biggest impact will be to football and some of the other lesser followed sports programs. Shouldn't really matter for hockey, which seems to be the only thing UND is worried about anyway.
That is unless this Big Ten hockey conference becomes reality in a couple years, and UND loses the Minnesota and Wisconsin games.
ndlionsfan wrote:old#63 wrote:I think the bigger issue here is what will the NCAA do now. I would think that they would continue with their exclusion of UND from hosting home NCAA tournament games, wearing anything the contains the nickname or image while playing in NCAA tournaments, and encouraging NCAA members not to schedule UND in non-conference games. The biggest impact will be to football and some of the other lesser followed sports programs. Shouldn't really matter for hockey, which seems to be the only thing UND is worried about anyway.
That is unless this Big Ten hockey conference becomes reality in a couple years, and UND loses the Minnesota and Wisconsin games.
If I was the NCAA I wouldnt change my stance, just sit back and watch the ND legislatue and the SBoHE go at it and battle it out and let this drag on for another 5-10 years. The NCAA can't be sued by the state again and this legislation is basically unconstitutional, so nothing to benefit UND will come out of it.
The Schwab wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:old#63 wrote:I think the bigger issue here is what will the NCAA do now. I would think that they would continue with their exclusion of UND from hosting home NCAA tournament games, wearing anything the contains the nickname or image while playing in NCAA tournaments, and encouraging NCAA members not to schedule UND in non-conference games. The biggest impact will be to football and some of the other lesser followed sports programs. Shouldn't really matter for hockey, which seems to be the only thing UND is worried about anyway.
That is unless this Big Ten hockey conference becomes reality in a couple years, and UND loses the Minnesota and Wisconsin games.
If I was the NCAA I wouldnt change my stance, just sit back and watch the ND legislatue and the SBoHE go at it and battle it out and let this drag on for another 5-10 years. The NCAA can't be sued by the state again and this legislation is basically unconstitutional, so nothing to benefit UND will come out of it.
The NCAA isn't going to change their stance, they could care less about what the ND government thinks about the nickname.
winner-within wrote:The Schwab wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:old#63 wrote:I think the bigger issue here is what will the NCAA do now. I would think that they would continue with their exclusion of UND from hosting home NCAA tournament games, wearing anything the contains the nickname or image while playing in NCAA tournaments, and encouraging NCAA members not to schedule UND in non-conference games. The biggest impact will be to football and some of the other lesser followed sports programs. Shouldn't really matter for hockey, which seems to be the only thing UND is worried about anyway.
That is unless this Big Ten hockey conference becomes reality in a couple years, and UND loses the Minnesota and Wisconsin games.
If I was the NCAA I wouldnt change my stance, just sit back and watch the ND legislatue and the SBoHE go at it and battle it out and let this drag on for another 5-10 years. The NCAA can't be sued by the state again and this legislation is basically unconstitutional, so nothing to benefit UND will come out of it.
The NCAA isn't going to change their stance, they could care less about what the ND government thinks about the nickname.
They'll have to, North Dakota Government is the people of ND, Ironically the State has no jurisdiction on the Native American people, They're regulated Federally...Now ND Legislators are going to have a say in the finalizes of this Nickname....and with the Consensus of the Native Americans involved (all of them, not just their leaders) it could just happen it stays...Just Like the Wisconsin Chippewas and Just like the Florida St. Seminoles ....Remember it is the University of NORTH DAKOTA
The Schwab wrote:winner-within wrote:The Schwab wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:old#63 wrote:I think the bigger issue here is what will the NCAA do now. I would think that they would continue with their exclusion of UND from hosting home NCAA tournament games, wearing anything the contains the nickname or image while playing in NCAA tournaments, and encouraging NCAA members not to schedule UND in non-conference games. The biggest impact will be to football and some of the other lesser followed sports programs. Shouldn't really matter for hockey, which seems to be the only thing UND is worried about anyway.
That is unless this Big Ten hockey conference becomes reality in a couple years, and UND loses the Minnesota and Wisconsin games.
If I was the NCAA I wouldnt change my stance, just sit back and watch the ND legislatue and the SBoHE go at it and battle it out and let this drag on for another 5-10 years. The NCAA can't be sued by the state again and this legislation is basically unconstitutional, so nothing to benefit UND will come out of it.
The NCAA isn't going to change their stance, they could care less about what the ND government thinks about the nickname.
They'll have to, North Dakota Government is the people of ND, Ironically the State has no jurisdiction on the Native American people, They're regulated Federally...Now ND Legislators are going to have a say in the finalizes of this Nickname....and with the Consensus of the Native Americans involved (all of them, not just their leaders) it could just happen it stays...Just Like the Wisconsin Chippewas and Just like the Florida St. Seminoles ....Remember it is the University of NORTH DAKOTA
No it is NOT like the Florida St. Seminoles, FSU has the support of the seminoles in Florida, ND does not have the support of both sioux reservations in ND, until that happens the NCAA will keep it's ban.
nodaker wrote:A select few on the Standing Rock tribal council do not want this to go to a vote. They know it will pass.
from what I am hearing anyways.....
nodaker wrote:My probem with this whole argument is where does this stop?
NFL
Vikings - A bunch of pagan murderers?
Patriots - white guys who were mean to the british and pushed the natives farther west?
Saints - Imposing chritianity on someone who may not agree with it?
Chiefs - maybe some warrior will be upset that the higher ups get all the glory
Buccaneers - Another bunch of murdering thieves
Raiders - ditto
Texans - A few hispanic groups might have a problem with them
Redskins - nuff said
MLB
Braves - native women are left out
Red Sox/White Sox - but I like black sox
Indians - Its "Native American" now. get with the program
Angels - Again with the christianity
Brewers - I dont drink
Yankees - goes way back to colonial days. get out of the way you non-white people
Athletics - I have love handles and like to lay on the couch at night and watch sports center
Pirates - see buccaneers
Padres - see Saints
And a whole list of college teams that should be scared.
Where does the madness stop....lawyers must love this crap. (oops, didnt mean to offend any attornys in this group) my bad
winner-within wrote:
Apache Braves....Soiux Warriors....a brave was a fighter.....you slung together a list of nothing, bringing the topic nowhere....Where does it end?? it doesn't as long as the Earth is revolving....The question is...is can we take things seriously and put a valid beginning or end to them??? ....Its called dealing with adversity Positively.....Not just using the mentality of... The Heck with it....who cares!
nodaker wrote:winner-within wrote:
Apache Braves....Soiux Warriors....a brave was a fighter.....you slung together a list of nothing, bringing the topic nowhere....Where does it end?? it doesn't as long as the Earth is revolving....The question is...is can we take things seriously and put a valid beginning or end to them??? ....Its called dealing with adversity Positively.....Not just using the mentality of... The Heck with it....who cares!
A brave was a fighter? Thanks for clearing that up. They didn't let us go to school here on Ft Berthold
Nothing and nowhere? That was the whole idea.It was a joke. Which is what the NCAA is making of this.
The valid end would be to put it to a vote.
You may not care, but I do.
Now sing me a song
nodaker wrote:My probem with this whole argument is where does this stop?
NFL
Vikings - A bunch of pagan murderers?
Patriots - white guys who were mean to the british and pushed the natives farther west?
Saints - Imposing chritianity on someone who may not agree with it?
Chiefs - maybe some warrior will be upset that the higher ups get all the glory
Buccaneers - Another bunch of murdering thieves
Raiders - ditto
Texans - A few hispanic groups might have a problem with them
Redskins - nuff said
MLB
Braves - native women are left out
Red Sox/White Sox - but I like black sox
Indians - Its "Native American" now. get with the program
Angels - Again with the christianity
Brewers - I dont drink
Yankees - goes way back to colonial days. get out of the way you non-white people
Athletics - I have love handles and like to lay on the couch at night and watch sports center
Pirates - see buccaneers
Padres - see Saints
And a whole list of college teams that should be scared.
Where does the madness stop....lawyers must love this crap. (oops, didnt mean to offend any attornys in this group) my bad
ndlionsfan wrote:I think this is just the legislature stepping in where they don't belong in my opinion. They have no control over something like this and I would rather see our tax dollars spent on more meaningful problems.
nodaker wrote:My probem with this whole argument is where does this stop?
NFL
Vikings - A bunch of pagan murderers?
Patriots - white guys who were mean to the british and pushed the natives farther west?
Saints - Imposing chritianity on someone who may not agree with it?
Chiefs - maybe some warrior will be upset that the higher ups get all the glory
Buccaneers - Another bunch of murdering thieves
Raiders - ditto
Texans - A few hispanic groups might have a problem with them
Redskins - nuff said
MLB
Braves - native women are left out
Red Sox/White Sox - but I like black sox
Indians - Its "Native American" now. get with the program
Angels - Again with the christianity
Brewers - I dont drink
Yankees - goes way back to colonial days. get out of the way you non-white people
Athletics - I have love handles and like to lay on the couch at night and watch sports center
Pirates - see buccaneers
Padres - see Saints
And a whole list of college teams that should be scared.
Where does the madness stop....lawyers must love this crap. (oops, didnt mean to offend any attornys in this group) my bad
baseball18 wrote:umm... those are private organizations. hey apple, meet orange
baseball18 wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:I think this is just the legislature stepping in where they don't belong in my opinion. They have no control over something like this and I would rather see our tax dollars spent on more meaningful problems.
amen!
winner-within wrote:
If a Man donates a Hundred and Fifty Million Dollars, and one of his mandatory requests is to Keep the Fighting Souix Name than I think a few Bucks spent by our Legislatures to uphold his Request should be competent to the task. The NCAA should have just not worried about it in the first Place.
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