luvmy3gbb1wr wrote:thought so but you can't tell the guy anything "it will never come to pass in class b girls basketball" time to lay money down
ClassBEast wrote:luvmy3gbb1wr wrote:thought so but you can't tell the guy anything "it will never come to pass in class b girls basketball" time to lay money down
It's a little surprising how uninformed your coach is!
ndlionsfan wrote:Check out this article about a recent game in Texas where a team nearly knocked off nationally ranked HS team by stalling. Took it to 3 OTs with a chance to win it twice on the last shot, but eventually lost 38-31. Without a shot clock they wouldn't have stood a chance.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog ... ool-312968
Hinsa wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:Check out this article about a recent game in Texas where a team nearly knocked off nationally ranked HS team by stalling. Took it to 3 OTs with a chance to win it twice on the last shot, but eventually lost 38-31. Without a shot clock they wouldn't have stood a chance.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog ... ool-312968
Great article Lionsfan!
And sadly, schools in ND will not have that opportunity to employ that strategy any more. But the game is about the fans and making sure they are happy. Screw the team with less talent that can use strategy to win a game.
But I digress....
ndlionsfan wrote:It's a game strategy to give your team its best chance to pull off a win. Yeah it might be boring for the fans, but what's the ultimate goal for a team going in to a game? What's the coach's job? To prepare his team and give them the best chance to win. And this isn't just some terrible team that was winless on the year, this is big time HS bball. They have to be pretty decent, but got blown out by this team earlier in the year. So the coach came up with a new game plan and they dang near beat the #12 team in the nation.
Indy5 wrote:I still feel it's abosutely ridiculous. I think all basketball should be played with a shot clock to prevent it. It's just not basketball to me.
NDplayin wrote:Now, I'm going to step off my soap-box and say that I do not think the Shot-Clock is going to "ruin" Class B basketball by any means. In fact, I think it is going to have a minimum to non-exsistent impact when 2 good teams play each other. My major complaint is that the NDSHAA didn't also implement a Mercy Rule at the same time. In Class B, these two rules must go hand in hand. We already have too many situations in ND where on of the top teams in the state plays one of the worst teams in the state and beats them 80-20 with their JV team pulling the ball out the majority of the second half. Now you are going to foce the winning team to continue running up the score? We are going to see 140-20 blow outs, and you can't even call it unsportsman like! Its a rule, they had to keep shooting.
ndlionsfan wrote:To me, its no different than a baseball team always using sacrifices to get a runner to 2nd or opposing pitchers intentionally walking someone so they don't get a big hit or to load the bases for a force out. No different than a fball team taking 3 knees and letting the clock run out or just running dives up the middle and taking the entire 40 seconds before snapping the ball to keep the clock moving. No different than hockey players playing keep away or clearing the puck to waste time. It's part of all sports. It's strategy. It might not be fun to watch but its all part of the game. Now, unfortunately, its being restricted in bball and it will not even out the playing field or add more parity to the game. It justs makes it that much easier for the good teams.
Hinsa wrote:One more thought on stalling: if the superior team does not want the lesser team to stall, get out and play defense. Now you force the lesser team to execute good team ball handling to hang onto the ball. And if the lesser team can handle the ball well enough to hang onto it, more power to them. Hanging onto the ball is in itself a skill. Why render that skill useless with a gimmick like the shot clock that is driven by the need to entertain fans of the 1950's NBA?
NDplayin wrote:Hinsa wrote:One more thought on stalling: if the superior team does not want the lesser team to stall, get out and play defense. Now you force the lesser team to execute good team ball handling to hang onto the ball. And if the lesser team can handle the ball well enough to hang onto it, more power to them. Hanging onto the ball is in itself a skill. Why render that skill useless with a gimmick like the shot clock that is driven by the need to entertain fans of the 1950's NBA?
Hinsa,
I do not like the idea of playing defense. I do not like it Hinsa-I-am.
I could not, would not on a court
I could not, would not in a fort
I will not play it man-on-man
I will not play it for a fan
I will not play it here or there
I will not play it anywhere
I will not play it worth a 'dam'
I will not play defense, Hinsa-I-Am
"Come-on Man!" Have you actually seen a North Dakota basketball game the last few years? With a very few exceptions, nobody wants to put in the type of effort it takes to stop anybody, even a bad team. Why is this? Because it is difficult, and we are becoming increasingly tolerant of saying "no way" to anything that is difficult. The typical style of defensive play in ND right now is "Im going to just stand herewith my hands up and hope you hurry-up and shoot, because make or miss at least I get my turn to run down to the other end of the court (the only end I actually want to be on) and force up my own crappy shot."Hinsa wrote: with my hands up
How dare you even suggest that we ask our young athletes to do something so uncomfortable as get out and play hard defense? You should be burned at the stake! (tounge firmly in cheek)
Hinsa wrote:Indy,
The shot clock was invented by the NBA to speed up the pro game because it was boring to fans and they were losing their fan base. It was a gimmick to spur attendance.
High school ball is not the NBA. You can't draft and trade players. You have to play with the talent you have. And with the wide diversity in talent a smart coach uses the tools he/she has to try to even the playing field. Stalling is one such tool that a smart coach uses to level the playing field. The shot clock takes away that tool.
But as I have stated before, that is a moot point for now. We have the shot clock coming and we'll have to see how it plays out.
The DH is a gimmick as well. Some folks in baseball thought it was boring to see a pitcher trying to hit. They wanted to liven up the game by allowing another hitter to hit.
This change also took some of the strategy out of the game, the same way a shot clock removes some strategy options. American League managers no longer had to weigh the choice of removing their starting pitcher in the hopes of getting a hit from a pinch hitter. They no longer have to worry about managing their way through double switches in late innings. The 8th spot in the batting order is no longer a critical spot in the lineup because there is another hitter behind them in the 9th spot.
The only thing the DH has done is provide a lineup spot for aging stars who can no longer play in the field or guys who can hit but can't catch a ball to save their soul. It reduces the need to be a complete baseball player. This also makes it simpler for AL managers because they don't have to weigh the decision between playing a guy who can field but is a light hitter or playing a guy who can mash the ball but hurts the team defense. It dumbs down the game.
Baseball more than any other game pays attention to it's history and keeping the same rules that have been in place for 150 years. The DH gimmick needs to go away and return ALL of major league baseball to real baseball.
One more thought on stalling: if the superior team does not want the lesser team to stall, get out and play defense. Now you force the lesser team to execute good team ball handling to hang onto the ball. And if the lesser team can handle the ball well enough to hang onto it, more power to them. Hanging onto the ball is in itself a skill. Why render that skill useless with a gimmick like the shot clock that is driven by the need to entertain fans of the 1950's NBA?
Hinsa wrote:I probably should be burned. I feel more and more like a neanderthal in my thinking every day.
Nice post, I got a good laugh out of it!
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