winner-within wrote:Tom wins better than anyone ever has at the QB position...combine that with the fact that he was picked #199 and Peyton was picked #1....he's a better QB...there final answer
thatguy422 wrote:winner-within wrote:Tom wins better than anyone ever has at the QB position...combine that with the fact that he was picked #199 and Peyton was picked #1....he's a better QB...there final answer
Why does the fact that he was drafted later make him better? That's dumb. You can tell me he surprised the world, which he did, but that doesn't make him better.
winner-within wrote:when you walk on, or your drafted late, or have to prove your last name...rather than being born with it..then that makes you better
baseball wrote:Drafts are based alot on needs. You could be talented enough to be the #1 pick, but if that team doesnt take you, you could easily slide down to 8-9. Same with being a borderline 1st round pick. A player projected to go in the late 1st, early 2nd, could easily slip to the 3rd or 4th round.
I know its basketball, but a draft is a draft. Portland decided to pick Oden over Durant, Durant is and was out of college clearly the better player. the kicker...Portland had Roy on the perimeter and absolutely no inside game. So you tell me, would you go with the guy who can control the paint, or another scoring wing?
In the 2000 draft, Brady's class. there were only 3 QB's taken in the first 154 picks.
hindsight is always better then making a decision when you have to isnt it?
winner-within wrote:If you are the #1 talent out there coming out of college headed to the NFL (cause the NFL is different than the NBA) than your #1 pick...plain and simple.....I'm not being disgruntle, I just think I am closer to reality on the draft....especially in the 2010 era of sports are concerned.
Indy5 wrote:winner-within wrote:If you are the #1 talent out there coming out of college headed to the NFL (cause the NFL is different than the NBA) than your #1 pick...plain and simple.....I'm not being disgruntle, I just think I am closer to reality on the draft....especially in the 2010 era of sports are concerned.
Most positions, you are right. But, if that team has a franchise QB (doubtful, since they were the worst team in the league) they will probably go another direction because they wouldn't want to waste that talent for that long.
The flipside of that thinking can be seen last year. The Rams needed a franchise QB, so they take Bradford instead of the best player in the draft, Suh. It also happened in 2007 when the Raiders took JaMarcus Russell over Calvin Johnson.
winner-within wrote:If you are the #1 talent out there coming out of college headed to the NFL (cause the NFL is different than the NBA) than your #1 pick...plain and simple.....I'm not being disgruntle, I just think I am closer to reality on the draft....especially in the 2010 era of sports are concerned.
baseball wrote:2003 - Charles Rodgers - WR
2004 - Roy Williams - WR
2005 - Mike Williams - WR
winner-within wrote:....its like saing Bonds was the Best...he may have been but he was inward and self serving like Peyton....
winner-within wrote:think of it like this....a lot of QB's picked early in the draft throughout the years have not lived up to their hype
you could almost say this about Peyton......he has the #'s but not the championships...somebody knew somthing about Brady and snagged him.....
thatguy422 wrote:I still don't understand what being drafted late has to do with how good somebody performs. If you have two people with identical stats but one got drafted later does it really make him better? If so, for what reasoning? They're doing the same thing. I"m not arguing for or against Brady right now I"m just saying I think your reasoning is faulty.
baseball wrote:winner-within wrote:think of it like this....a lot of QB's picked early in the draft throughout the years have not lived up to their hype
you could almost say this about Peyton......he has the #'s but not the championships...somebody knew somthing about Brady and snagged him.....
You make it sound like they took a gamble to take him. did you not know he was an All-Big Ten player? Led his team to 2 wins in major bowl games. set records at Michigan...which you may or may not know...has a pretty nice football history.
winner-within wrote:My favorite is when they state Manning will make a great coach or GM and we know once he is done with the game you wont see him again on the field, he will go right to the box and analyse like the rest of the guys who think they know everything....Brady and Favre are the type that will want to keep the game going and share their knowlege with the young guys and help them become better......by coaching them or training them.
Manning might have the STATS (like lebron) but the tough guys and the guys with rings still win with the true Football fans hearts over....Peyton is an arogant player who is lucky he had the recievers he's had.
winner-within wrote:baseball wrote:winner-within wrote:think of it like this....a lot of QB's picked early in the draft throughout the years have not lived up to their hype
you could almost say this about Peyton......he has the #'s but not the championships...somebody knew somthing about Brady and snagged him.....
You make it sound like they took a gamble to take him. did you not know he was an All-Big Ten player? Led his team to 2 wins in major bowl games. set records at Michigan...which you may or may not know...has a pretty nice football history.
his history or his talents haven't impressed you much.....Oh...did I mention how he is putting another chapter in the history books this season....MVP
shooter! wrote:winner-within wrote:My favorite is when they state Manning will make a great coach or GM and we know once he is done with the game you wont see him again on the field, he will go right to the box and analyse like the rest of the guys who think they know everything....Brady and Favre are the type that will want to keep the game going and share their knowlege with the young guys and help them become better......by coaching them or training them.
Manning might have the STATS (like lebron) but the tough guys and the guys with rings still win with the true Football fans hearts over....Peyton is an arogant player who is lucky he had the recievers he's had.
you are probably one of the least intelligent people on here. Manning is arrogant? does he ever talk himself up?? his receivers are lucky to have him, he makes collie a 5th rounder look like he's going to the pro bowl!
winner-within wrote:shooter! wrote:winner-within wrote:My favorite is when they state Manning will make a great coach or GM and we know once he is done with the game you wont see him again on the field, he will go right to the box and analyse like the rest of the guys who think they know everything....Brady and Favre are the type that will want to keep the game going and share their knowlege with the young guys and help them become better......by coaching them or training them.
Manning might have the STATS (like lebron) but the tough guys and the guys with rings still win with the true Football fans hearts over....Peyton is an arogant player who is lucky he had the recievers he's had.
you are probably one of the least intelligent people on here. Manning is arrogant? does he ever talk himself up?? his receivers are lucky to have him, he makes collie a 5th rounder look like he's going to the pro bowl!
and you are from Pembina...
winner-within wrote:My favorite is when they state Manning will make a great coach or GM and we know once he is done with the game you wont see him again on the field, he will go right to the box and analyse like the rest of the guys who think they know everything....Brady and Favre are the type that will want to keep the game going and share their knowlege with the young guys and help them become better......by coaching them or training them.
Manning might have the STATS (like lebron) but the tough guys and the guys with rings still win with the true Football fans hearts over....Peyton is an arogant player who is lucky he had the recievers he's had.
cubsfan wrote:[winner-within wrote:My favorite is when they state Manning will make a great coach or GM and we know once he is done with the game you wont see him again on the field, he will go right to the box and analyse like the rest of the guys who think they know everything....Brady and Favre are the type that will want to keep the game going and share their knowlege with the young guys and help them become better......by coaching them or training them.
Manning might have the STATS (like lebron) but the tough guys and the guys with rings still win with the true Football fans hearts over....Peyton is an arogant player who is lucky he had the recievers he's had.
I wouldn't call Peyton arrogant, I would call him confident like all other hall of fame caliber players. He does have the stats like Lebron but unlike Lebron, Peyton has a ring already.
winner-within wrote:I know he is Arrogant...but I will give you this....It may not be what you see (arrogance) on the field.....so I will rephrase....He is always blaming someone for a play gone bad....He and his brother are, Bar None the two biggest pouters in the NFL...Why? because they are Mannings....I firmly believe they don't have near the respect from there players that Brady or Favre has, or many other QB's in the league do....there fun to watch because of their skills but AI cant look at them when a play goes wrong or when they take off their helmets.
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