scoobyx2 wrote:Sportsrube wrote:I am not buying this new plan - How many times do the schools have to vote this 3 class plan down before it goes away. I understand that it may not be fair for a small school like Edgeley to compete with Valley City, but guess what - LIFE ISN"T FAIR! (If life was fair, we would all win the lottery) I disagree with how VC was put into Class B last year but the fact is - they didn't dominate in BB or VB. Us small schools need to put on our big boy/girl underpants and deal with it. Not everyone gets to play in a State Tournament - thats life, so deal with it.
It has just come down to trophies, and making sure everyone gets one to feel like a winner. (Do they give a trophy for 8th place at State? I remember when they didn't even play that game.) The people who complained that it wasn't fair to the kids of small schools who had to play VC have no problem letting VC kids drive an hour to play in a blowouts with Fargo South, North, or West Fargo. Even when VC lost in their post season play in VB and BB, small schools complained that they may eventually build a program that might beat them because their numbers are so big. Sad...
The Schwab wrote:I am against a 3 class system, because our population distribution doesn't make sense for one, 20 years ago it would have. I honestly don't understand why people think we need a three class system, if someone could give me a good argument for one I could see having all of these proposals brought up, but as of now I just don't see the point.
Hinsa wrote:The problem being fixed is Valley City - pure and simple.
If Valley City wasn't in such a bind for a competitive home, there would be no proposals on the table. Screw something up just to fix one school. Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it.
I realize i have a very cynical viewpoint on this, but I don't think I'm far from the truth.
larrybird33 wrote:The last 3 Region 7 boys champions have been Beulah, Bowman and Mott-Regent. On the girls' side, it has been Beach, Hazen and Bowman. If you look at the region objectively, it is very competitive and balanced. There isn't a Trinity "problem."
In fact, this whole proposal is a solution without a problem.
We don't have 16 -20 communities the size of Valley City to create a third class. Put them in A or in B, but don't re-draw an entire system for one school.
classB4ever wrote:larrybird33 wrote:The last 3 Region 7 boys champions have been Beulah, Bowman and Mott-Regent. On the girls' side, it has been Beach, Hazen and Bowman. If you look at the region objectively, it is very competitive and balanced. There isn't a Trinity "problem."
In fact, this whole proposal is a solution without a problem.
We don't have 16 -20 communities the size of Valley City to create a third class. Put them in A or in B, but don't re-draw an entire system for one school.
Let's say we all decide that an even way to participate in sports would be playing against schools with up to 3 times your school's enrollment. If we started at the current highest school enrollment (9-12?) which is Minot at 1821 and divided by 3, the low cutoff line would be Jamestown at 757. The next closest would be Belcourt at 600. This would put 13 into Class AA. Since Shanley opts up, this gives them 14. Once again, dividing by 3, it takes us down to 200. With Belcourt on top at 600 and Lisbon at the bottom with 201. There are 16 schools between 600 and 200. The numbers I used were copied from a link in an older discussion on this topic. Wouldn't you agree that this would be more competitive and balanced?
To say this is all about Valley City may be right or it may be wrong. But to say that there are not any problems with our current system is being close-minded.
Hinsa wrote:classB4ever wrote:larrybird33 wrote:The last 3 Region 7 boys champions have been Beulah, Bowman and Mott-Regent. On the girls' side, it has been Beach, Hazen and Bowman. If you look at the region objectively, it is very competitive and balanced. There isn't a Trinity "problem."
In fact, this whole proposal is a solution without a problem.
We don't have 16 -20 communities the size of Valley City to create a third class. Put them in A or in B, but don't re-draw an entire system for one school.
Let's say we all decide that an even way to participate in sports would be playing against schools with up to 3 times your school's enrollment. If we started at the current highest school enrollment (9-12?) which is Minot at 1821 and divided by 3, the low cutoff line would be Jamestown at 757. The next closest would be Belcourt at 600. This would put 13 into Class AA. Since Shanley opts up, this gives them 14. Once again, dividing by 3, it takes us down to 200. With Belcourt on top at 600 and Lisbon at the bottom with 201. There are 16 schools between 600 and 200. The numbers I used were copied from a link in an older discussion on this topic. Wouldn't you agree that this would be more competitive and balanced?
To say this is all about Valley City may be right or it may be wrong. But to say that there are not any problems with our current system is being close-minded.
So that would give one state championship to a division of 14 teams, and another state championship to a division of 16 teams. Whoopee. What a thrill. You beat out 13 or 15 other teams to win a state basketball championship. What a watered down title.
We don't need 3 classes!
classB4ever wrote:And my point is to prove that there are some problems.
digger wrote:classB4ever wrote:And my point is to prove that there are some problems.
O.K. Let's start there. What are the problems? I'm not in favor of 3 classes in ND, I'll get that out there right up front. If we do have problems that need to be addressed let's state them clearly and see where we stand. However, let's do our best to eliminate the emotional trigger issues that seem to be brought up on a regular basis, ie: fairness, equality, private schools, recruiting, big town/little town. I'm not interested in changing the system based upon emotion or conjecture. In the words of that American hero Joe Friday, "All we want are the facts ma'am."
classB4ever wrote:
Well, that would be nice. Let's see, a fact is information which is indisputable. My guess is that all of those problems have already been taken care of. Problems which have emotional triggers general occur because one group might see the problem one way and another group may see it in a different light. Who is right, who is wrong? Is there really a problem? Depends which side of the fence you are on. Is there a solution so both sides are happy? Perhaps.
1. If I were to live in one of the top 5 class b towns in enrollment size, there would be no problems with the current system. If I were to live in one of the smallest class b towns, I might see it differently. One side says, "Pull up your panties and live with it". The other side says, "Why don't you move up and play against class A schools and see how you like it"? Problem? Fact? Emotional trigger?
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