flatlander wrote:While the student body has changed at Notre Dame, it would be kind of insulting to their alumni and such to suggest that Irishness is not a huge part of Notre Dame's past, present, and future. UND has no Sioux roots and a minuscule Sioux presence (I'm guessing 100 Sioux out of the 388 students claiming Indian descent). This is despite UND getting millions and millions of tax dollars for Indian programs. What does that mean? Indian programs are a huge cash cow at UND... they could pay full tuition for every Sioux kid who enrolls (but they don't) and still make a lot of money.
Personally, this is just my opinion and reasonable people can disagree with me and possibly convince me otherwise, but NO I do not think the nickname has helped Sioux causes at all at UND - in fact, exactly the opposite. What motivated UND to get involved with the tribes, not just the Sioux, was a genuine desire to serve the state. Now, that seems to have changed for the worse. In too many peoples' minds this service has been linked to the nickname and, more and more, all the nickname seems to generate is the very worst kinds of threats and insults rather than doing anything beneficial.
Sportsrube wrote:As a UND fan, I hope they allow a referndum on the nickname on the Standing Rock Reservation. But remember this - if the vote is "no" - then we need to let the nickname go and move on. I really like my "Fighting Sioux" jerseys and will wear them no matter what, but once the vote is done we all need to accept the result, whatever it is, and move on.
Sportsrube wrote:They will have one more year to use the nickname and then in the 2011-2012 school year will have a new nickname/logo. They have said they will definitely not be going back to "Flickertails" which is good news!
Anyone care to suggest a new nickname or make a guess on what it will be?
I would like to see something to do with their aeronautics program or something else from ND history but thats just me. It will also be interesting on how they will go about choosing the new nickname/logo.
Either way, I am still a huge UND fan and always will be.
Indy5 wrote:I have heard rumors of them being called the Force of the North, since they are already called that sometimes.
Divide & Conquer wrote:Just leave it at University of North Dakota. Any nickname other than the Fighting Sioux, just doesn't sound right. I'd even leave the Ralph exactly the way it is, just drop the name from jerseys and new publication.
The Schwab wrote:Divide & Conquer wrote:Just leave it at University of North Dakota. Any nickname other than the Fighting Sioux, just doesn't sound right. I'd even leave the Ralph exactly the way it is, just drop the name from jerseys and new publication.
Now i'm not sure how this will all work, but to host NCAA tournaments they will have to remove the logos and such, and I'm not sure, but if I remember right there is some clause in the Ralph contract that said if they change the name that the Ralph can't be used anymore.
The Schwab wrote:Divide & Conquer wrote:Just leave it at University of North Dakota. Any nickname other than the Fighting Sioux, just doesn't sound right. I'd even leave the Ralph exactly the way it is, just drop the name from jerseys and new publication.
Now i'm not sure how this will all work, but to host NCAA tournaments they will have to remove the logos and such, and I'm not sure, but if I remember right there is some clause in the Ralph contract that said if they change the name that the Ralph can't be used anymore.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:How does a college like UND have to change the Sioux nickname, whereas a high school (Westhope-Newburg) doesn't have to change their Sioux nickname?
ndfan wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:How does a college like UND have to change the Sioux nickname, whereas a high school (Westhope-Newburg) doesn't have to change their Sioux nickname?
Because the last time I checked Westhope wasn't affiliated with the NCAA.
scoobyx2 wrote:ndfan wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:How does a college like UND have to change the Sioux nickname, whereas a high school (Westhope-Newburg) doesn't have to change their Sioux nickname?
Because the last time I checked Westhope wasn't affiliated with the NCAA.
Florida State is affliated with the NCAA, and they get to stay as the Seminoles. I understand that the governing group in Florida approved it, but it could still be offensive to someone.
old#63 wrote:scoobyx2 wrote:ndfan wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:How does a college like UND have to change the Sioux nickname, whereas a high school (Westhope-Newburg) doesn't have to change their Sioux nickname?
Because the last time I checked Westhope wasn't affiliated with the NCAA.
Florida State is affliated with the NCAA, and they get to stay as the Seminoles. I understand that the governing group in Florida approved it, but it could still be offensive to someone.
The only way the NCAA gave exemptions was if the local tribes endorsed it. That just didn't happen for UND. Florida State Seminoles, Central Michigan Chippawas, and Utah Utes all got approval from the local tribes and were granted exemptions. UND couldn't get that to happen. I really thought when Murphy got voted in as Tribal Chairman at Standing Rock that he would let the tribe vote on it, but he didn't. End of the story.
Indy5 wrote:old#63 wrote:scoobyx2 wrote:ndfan wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:How does a college like UND have to change the Sioux nickname, whereas a high school (Westhope-Newburg) doesn't have to change their Sioux nickname?
Because the last time I checked Westhope wasn't affiliated with the NCAA.
Florida State is affliated with the NCAA, and they get to stay as the Seminoles. I understand that the governing group in Florida approved it, but it could still be offensive to someone.
The only way the NCAA gave exemptions was if the local tribes endorsed it. That just didn't happen for UND. Florida State Seminoles, Central Michigan Chippawas, and Utah Utes all got approval from the local tribes and were granted exemptions. UND couldn't get that to happen. I really thought when Murphy got voted in as Tribal Chairman at Standing Rock that he would let the tribe vote on it, but he didn't. End of the story.
Aren't the Utes a fake tribe like the Illini?
ndfan wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ute_people
The Ute (pronounced /ˈjuːt/ "yewt") are an American Indian people now living primarily in Utah and Colorado. There are three Ute tribal reservations: Uintah-Ouray in northeastern Utah (3,500 members); Southern Ute in Colorado (1,500 members); and Ute Mountain which primarily lies in Colorado, but extends to Utah and New Mexico (2,000 members). The name of the state of Utah was derived from the name Ute. The word Ute means "land of the sun" in their language and it is now used as Utah's state slogan.
Indy5 wrote:old#63 wrote:scoobyx2 wrote:ndfan wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:How does a college like UND have to change the Sioux nickname, whereas a high school (Westhope-Newburg) doesn't have to change their Sioux nickname?
Because the last time I checked Westhope wasn't affiliated with the NCAA.
Florida State is affliated with the NCAA, and they get to stay as the Seminoles. I understand that the governing group in Florida approved it, but it could still be offensive to someone.
The only way the NCAA gave exemptions was if the local tribes endorsed it. That just didn't happen for UND. Florida State Seminoles, Central Michigan Chippawas, and Utah Utes all got approval from the local tribes and were granted exemptions. UND couldn't get that to happen. I really thought when Murphy got voted in as Tribal Chairman at Standing Rock that he would let the tribe vote on it, but he didn't. End of the story.
Aren't the Utes a fake tribe like the Illini?
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