slapshot wrote:I Know theres nothing that can be done but why are only 2 games a day at the "ralph" The Girls and Boys State and 2 Souix Games all in the Same weekend. All other games at "Purper"??? Might as well play a couple games at "VFW" rink Mabye a couple games at the "East Side" rink, and While we are at it lets schedule the Bantam A, A-2, B-1, B-2 Tourneys that weekend to. That way they can make all their $$$ in one weekend!!! Lets vote who thinks the boys and girls should be on seperate weekends ...
SportsDoc wrote:Between administrative issues and Title IX ramifications, I suspect they are married at this point to the same location in some way, shape or form.
HockeyHigh wrote:SportsDoc wrote:Between administrative issues and Title IX ramifications, I suspect they are married at this point to the same location in some way, shape or form.
I know morally it's completely wrong, but I have a certain disdain for Title IX. I don't think it fairly represents the clear differences between sexes, and unfairly hinders the advancement of men's sports in far more places than just High School sports. Although I certainly think that it's great that female athletics are now getting more attention, I just don't see enough interest in them to force the advancement of a male sport that has been increasing exponentially.
For example, to simply add a sport to a college, there must be an equally represented female sport added at the same time. What if this sport and demand aren't there? That means that neither a female or a male sport is added, and the athletics of the college suffer. I do agree that sexually biasing sports is unfair, but when the demand for a sport is there, it should dang well be added if the financial terms are there, whether or not there is a female sport added.
In a more related note, how do you think Minnesota would feel if our High School State games took place in the XCel the same day as their state high school state games, and forced the other games to some far inferior arena with zero coverage? It's demeaning to a clearly more popular and received event, and is completely unfair. In respect to ND tournaments, the Girls' tournament is impeding on the Boys' tournament which has always been arranged to have as much coverage and use of the Engelstad as possible, and now they are being forced to a far inferior arena with almost zero coverage and no atmosphere. How do you expect a team to feel like they're at state when they aren't even playing at the same arena as the other teams? It's completely demeaning to the teams that end up in the consolation bracket, and even the teams that go to the 3rd place game. I can also almost guarantee you that the previous boys games that were on the television that were part of the losers brackets/games got more hype than the girls' championship game last year. There's just no interest, and it's hurting the Boys rather than helping the girls.
I honestly have no idea where the NDHSAA was going with this change.
I know it's pretty politically incorrect, but i had to voice my opinion.
sportsman101 wrote:amen to all of your comments... long story short atleast in the state of north dakota and the situation at hand girls hockey is ruining the state tournament. i cant give a good solution to the problem other than the girls need to play somewhere else rather than screwing the boys out of the ralph
SportsDoc wrote:How does having the Girls in GF with the Boys ruin the State Tournament? Boys still get first round at the Ralph, and as long as you win, you stay at the Ralph. Boys still get the Semifinals and the Title game on live TV, no different. Boys still get the evening sessions on Friday and Saturday.
HockeyHigh wrote:SportsDoc wrote:How does having the Girls in GF with the Boys ruin the State Tournament? Boys still get first round at the Ralph, and as long as you win, you stay at the Ralph. Boys still get the Semifinals and the Title game on live TV, no different. Boys still get the evening sessions on Friday and Saturday.
Well first of all, I don't see why the Girls' tournament must be the same weekend as State, since they don't even have a regional tournament to play anyways. Beyond this, what kind of tournament atmosphere is it when you lose a single game and you end up playing in a sub par arena on the other side of the town, far from where the victorious teams are playing. It really destroys the feeling of a state tournament, and is an unnecessary punishment to those that would normally be playing in the consolation bracket in the place that is the only reason that the tournament is always in the same place anyways.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but before they had the Consolation, Semifinals, 3rd place, and the championship on television. Now they have the girls championship (which likely got worse ratings than the 8th place game would receive), the semifinals, and the championship on television.
The arena and the perks of the arena were the only reason that State should've always been in Grand Forks. However, now that the UP has been built, I see no reason why this has to be the case. The tournament should always be getting better for both Boys' and Girls' hockey, not worse. If they can't at least manage to equal what they had been doing previously, I believe they should just ship the state tournament over to Fargo, I'm sure they'd welcome it openhanded.
Title IX is far too skewed and distorted from its true intention for me to even discuss, and I can't do anything about it by voicing my opinion anyways, so I won't even get into it anymore.
Hockey10 wrote:Having state in fargo makes no sense. It has been in GF for so long it would make no sense to change it now. During the championchip game the lower bowl is completely full and 1 year they had to open the upper levels because of so many people. The UPC does not have the sort of room like the ralph does and the UPC is way to hot and teh ice gets soft and slow. And if you try to get more people in the arena it will get even warmer in there and the ice would be terrible. The ralph knows how to keep their ice in good condition.
SportsDoc wrote:Hockey10 wrote:Having state in fargo makes no sense. It has been in GF for so long it would make no sense to change it now. During the championchip game the lower bowl is completely full and 1 year they had to open the upper levels because of so many people. The UPC does not have the sort of room like the ralph does and the UPC is way to hot and teh ice gets soft and slow. And if you try to get more people in the arena it will get even warmer in there and the ice would be terrible. The ralph knows how to keep their ice in good condition.
Well, the Ralph has been open for 8 seasons, now. They had many ice issues at first, too. It's a learning curve. The UPC will figure it out. A half full Ralph (or a bit more for one Title games) does not generate the crowd enthusiasm of a full arena. I have been to every State at the Ralph, and you could get a seat in virtually any section in the lower bowl for the Title games, even after the puck dropped. And, to me, the atmosphere at the Ralph for a State Title game leaves a lot to be desired. The building rocks when it's full, it's never full for HS hockey.
So, a full UPC might have a better atmosphere for the players and fans than the current venue, believe it or not. We'll never know till we give it a try. We don't need to be married to the Ralph. I don't get why having the Tournament in Fargo "...makes no sense...". In fact, when the Sioux are in GF, it makes very good sense, to me. We need to be forward thinking. Doing something a certain way because we've always done it that way is not very good thinking. Neither is changing just for the sake of change. But sometimes change can be a good thing.
SportsDoc wrote:Hockey10 wrote:Having state in fargo makes no sense. It has been in GF for so long it would make no sense to change it now. During the championchip game the lower bowl is completely full and 1 year they had to open the upper levels because of so many people. The UPC does not have the sort of room like the ralph does and the UPC is way to hot and teh ice gets soft and slow. And if you try to get more people in the arena it will get even warmer in there and the ice would be terrible. The ralph knows how to keep their ice in good condition.
Well, the Ralph has been open for 8 seasons, now. They had many ice issues at first, too. It's a learning curve. The UPC will figure it out. A half full Ralph (or a bit more for one Title games) does not generate the crowd enthusiasm of a full arena. I have been to every State at the Ralph, and you could get a seat in virtually any section in the lower bowl for the Title games, even after the puck dropped. And, to me, the atmosphere at the Ralph for a State Title game leaves a lot to be desired. The building rocks when it's full, it's never full for HS hockey.
So, a full UPC might have a better atmosphere for the players and fans than the current venue, believe it or not. We'll never know till we give it a try. We don't need to be married to the Ralph. I don't get why having the Tournament in Fargo "...makes no sense...". In fact, when the Sioux are in GF, it makes very good sense, to me. We need to be forward thinking. Doing something a certain way because we've always done it that way is not very good thinking. Neither is changing just for the sake of change. But sometimes change can be a good thing.
gfhockey wrote:SportsDoc wrote:Hockey10 wrote:Having state in fargo makes no sense. It has been in GF for so long it would make no sense to change it now. During the championchip game the lower bowl is completely full and 1 year they had to open the upper levels because of so many people. The UPC does not have the sort of room like the ralph does and the UPC is way to hot and teh ice gets soft and slow. And if you try to get more people in the arena it will get even warmer in there and the ice would be terrible. The ralph knows how to keep their ice in good condition.
Well, the Ralph has been open for 8 seasons, now. They had many ice issues at first, too. It's a learning curve. The UPC will figure it out. A half full Ralph (or a bit more for one Title games) does not generate the crowd enthusiasm of a full arena. I have been to every State at the Ralph, and you could get a seat in virtually any section in the lower bowl for the Title games, even after the puck dropped. And, to me, the atmosphere at the Ralph for a State Title game leaves a lot to be desired. The building rocks when it's full, it's never full for HS hockey.
So, a full UPC might have a better atmosphere for the players and fans than the current venue, believe it or not. We'll never know till we give it a try. We don't need to be married to the Ralph. I don't get why having the Tournament in Fargo "...makes no sense...". In fact, when the Sioux are in GF, it makes very good sense, to me. We need to be forward thinking. Doing something a certain way because we've always done it that way is not very good thinking. Neither is changing just for the sake of change. But sometimes change can be a good thing.
Well I take it you must have missed one because once RR PLayved GFC in a title game, they had to open up the top. I htink attendance for that game was around 6600. ANother time when they could have opend up the top was a couple eyars ago (not alst year) when RR played GPR
SO ur telling me, during a title game between gfc and gfrr there is a seat open in there student section or a seat open in gpr student section? Highly doubt that unless its a first round guarenteed win in which most times it is. End Rant!
SportsDoc wrote:gfhockey wrote:SportsDoc wrote:Hockey10 wrote:Having state in fargo makes no sense. It has been in GF for so long it would make no sense to change it now. During the championchip game the lower bowl is completely full and 1 year they had to open the upper levels because of so many people. The UPC does not have the sort of room like the ralph does and the UPC is way to hot and teh ice gets soft and slow. And if you try to get more people in the arena it will get even warmer in there and the ice would be terrible. The ralph knows how to keep their ice in good condition.
Well, the Ralph has been open for 8 seasons, now. They had many ice issues at first, too. It's a learning curve. The UPC will figure it out. A half full Ralph (or a bit more for one Title games) does not generate the crowd enthusiasm of a full arena. I have been to every State at the Ralph, and you could get a seat in virtually any section in the lower bowl for the Title games, even after the puck dropped. And, to me, the atmosphere at the Ralph for a State Title game leaves a lot to be desired. The building rocks when it's full, it's never full for HS hockey.
So, a full UPC might have a better atmosphere for the players and fans than the current venue, believe it or not. We'll never know till we give it a try. We don't need to be married to the Ralph. I don't get why having the Tournament in Fargo "...makes no sense...". In fact, when the Sioux are in GF, it makes very good sense, to me. We need to be forward thinking. Doing something a certain way because we've always done it that way is not very good thinking. Neither is changing just for the sake of change. But sometimes change can be a good thing.
Well I take it you must have missed one because once RR PLayved GFC in a title game, they had to open up the top. I htink attendance for that game was around 6600. ANother time when they could have opend up the top was a couple eyars ago (not alst year) when RR played GPR
SO ur telling me, during a title game between gfc and gfrr there is a seat open in there student section or a seat open in gpr student section? Highly doubt that unless its a first round guarenteed win in which most times it is. End Rant!
Student sections are always full. I am not speaking of student sections. I'm not a student. I'm speaking of others. And just because they opened the top, doesn't mean the bottom was full, quite the contrary. It might have been had they left the top closed, but they figured GFC/RR would require more seats, so they opened it up. This, in turn, opened some seats below, as some people like to be not so close, I suppose, or else figured the top would be less crowded. As you state, at the largest event we know of for HS hockey in ND, there was 6,600 in an 11,600+ stadium. Not exactly filling the house, is it? So, it's quite possible to use the UPC then, from a seating perspective.
gfhockey wrote:Well I take it you must have missed one because once RR PLayved GFC in a title game, they had to open up the top. I htink attendance for that game was around 6600.
SO ur telling me, during a title game between gfc and gfrr there is a seat open in there student section or a seat open in gpr student section? Highly doubt that unless its a first round guarenteed win in which most times it is. End Rant!
Hockey10 wrote:Having state in fargo makes no sense. It has been in GF for so long it would make no sense to change it now.
During the championchip game the lower bowl is completely full and 1 year they had to open the upper levels because of so many people. The UPC does not have the sort of room like the ralph does and the UPC is way to hot and teh ice gets soft and slow. And if you try to get more people in the arena it will get even warmer in there and the ice would be terrible. The ralph knows how to keep their ice in good condition.
central hockey fan wrote:I can't believe I'm going to say this but if the UPC gets their ice situation figured out and the parking lot isn't just a dark field, I think it would be fun to have the state tourney there. And here is why:
1. There are more things to do in Fargo, more motels, places to eat etc.
2. A full house would be fun. I used to go to section 8 championship games in Warroad, EGF etc. and that was the most fun to sit in a packed house.
3. Its more convenient for most of the state (sorry Grafton)
4. The Ralph is huge.....even at some Sioux games it can be hard to get the crowd into it
5. Maybe that would spur on other cities in ND to build nicer rinks, then they can get the state tourney
I'm from GF and this may be shooting myself in the foot but I guess if it makes sense, it just does.
nothinghappend wrote:why would anyone want to take the pleasure away from kids playing in the ralph? its the best in the nation and why would anyone want that to change, because its not fair. Well life isnt fair so the people that dont want it in the ralph and cry about it
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