cubsfan wrote:baseball1981 wrote:what kind of team do the jimmies have? i saw they got watkins and hes a solid player..
Last year they finished third in the Dac that was surprisingly strong last year.
Willy wrote:cubsfan wrote:baseball1981 wrote:what kind of team do the jimmies have? i saw they got watkins and hes a solid player..
Last year they finished third in the Dac that was surprisingly strong last year.
JC has a great baseball program, 183-68 over the past 5 years and 5-1 so far this year. Top DAC teams, JC, and Dicky are as good or better than NDSU and probably offer more scholships. Valley City one of the worst teams in the DAC beat NDSU either last year or the year before. One correction - JC finished second in the DAC last year, just behind Dickinson.
Willy wrote:cubsfan wrote:baseball1981 wrote:what kind of team do the jimmies have? i saw they got watkins and hes a solid player..
Last year they finished third in the Dac that was surprisingly strong last year.
JC has a great baseball program, 183-68 over the past 5 years and 5-1 so far this year. Top DAC teams, JC, and Dicky are as good or better than NDSU and probably offer more scholships. Valley City one of the worst teams in the DAC beat NDSU either last year or the year before. One correction - JC finished second in the DAC last year, just behind Dickinson.
InTheKnow wrote:Willy wrote:cubsfan wrote:baseball1981 wrote:what kind of team do the jimmies have? i saw they got watkins and hes a solid player..
Last year they finished third in the Dac that was surprisingly strong last year.
JC has a great baseball program, 183-68 over the past 5 years and 5-1 so far this year. Top DAC teams, JC, and Dicky are as good or better than NDSU and probably offer more scholships. Valley City one of the worst teams in the DAC beat NDSU either last year or the year before. One correction - JC finished second in the DAC last year, just behind Dickinson.
One victory over a team does not equate to them being better or being able to compare the whole conference. The victory Valley City had over NDSU was in 2006. The same season that NDSU beat Minnesota. Does that equate the DAC to being equal to the Big Ten since Minnesota went to the NCAA tournament. Not quite. A little background on that game. NDSU started a pitcher who only threw about 15 innings all season. The scheduled starter was comming off of an arm injury and was hoping to rest an additional week. The starter lasted 1/3 of an inning and allowed 5 runs. The scheduled starter who now cant crack the starting rotation came into the game and completely dominated striking out 10 and allowing 6 hits over 8 2/3 in only 102 pitches. Give VC credit they won the game and the lefty Wilson threw a gem but to make a comparison of one game to equate a program is not accurate.
Willy wrote:InTheKnow wrote:Willy wrote:cubsfan wrote:baseball1981 wrote:what kind of team do the jimmies have? i saw they got watkins and hes a solid player..
Last year they finished third in the Dac that was surprisingly strong last year.
JC has a great baseball program, 183-68 over the past 5 years and 5-1 so far this year. Top DAC teams, JC, and Dicky are as good or better than NDSU and probably offer more scholships. Valley City one of the worst teams in the DAC beat NDSU either last year or the year before. One correction - JC finished second in the DAC last year, just behind Dickinson.
One victory over a team does not equate to them being better or being able to compare the whole conference. The victory Valley City had over NDSU was in 2006. The same season that NDSU beat Minnesota. Does that equate the DAC to being equal to the Big Ten since Minnesota went to the NCAA tournament. Not quite. A little background on that game. NDSU started a pitcher who only threw about 15 innings all season. The scheduled starter was comming off of an arm injury and was hoping to rest an additional week. The starter lasted 1/3 of an inning and allowed 5 runs. The scheduled starter who now cant crack the starting rotation came into the game and completely dominated striking out 10 and allowing 6 hits over 8 2/3 in only 102 pitches. Give VC credit they won the game and the lefty Wilson threw a gem but to make a comparison of one game to equate a program is not accurate.
First I didn't say Valley City was as good as NDSU, I said the top teams in the DAC are, JC, Dickinson, and Dak State. You are right, VC beat NDSU in 2006, last year NDSU thumped Valley City 4-3. I don't think you will see them schedule any more DAC teams anytime soon.
And just for the record, here is last year's DAC standings, right off the NAIA website. JC finished 2nd to Dickinson. Some games couldn't be made up so the final standings were determined by winning percentage.
2007 Dakota Athletic Conference
Dickinson State Univ 13 - 1 .928
Jamestown College 12 - 6 .667
Dakota State Univ 10 - 6 .625
Mayville State Univ 8 - 9 .471
Valley City State Univ 7 - 13 .350
Minot State University 1 - 16 .059
Dickinson, Jamestown, and Dakota are most definately solid programs. They may be close to NDSU but are not better. After just getting done playing teams like K-State, Creighton, Iowa, and Northern Iowa it is a little tough to get up for a team like Valley City which for them happens to be their world series for the season. They followed up the VC game winning 4 of 7 against Minnesota (L), SDSU (who finished 34-19, 3W-1L), and Northern Iowa (23-28 in the Missouri Valley, 1W-1L). NDSU also handeled UM-Duluth rather easily but had one slip up agianst U-Mary. When you go from facing pitchers throwing 87-92 consistantly to facing 76-82 your timing is off and it is tough to get going offensively. Anyone that has played baseball enough at that level knows that. On a side note NDSU finished second at the 2006 DI Independent tournament and third at the 2007 tournament.
Willy wrote:Dickinson, Jamestown, and Dakota are most definately solid programs. They may be close to NDSU but are not better. After just getting done playing teams like K-State, Creighton, Iowa, and Northern Iowa it is a little tough to get up for a team like Valley City which for them happens to be their world series for the season. They followed up the VC game winning 4 of 7 against Minnesota (L), SDSU (who finished 34-19, 3W-1L), and Northern Iowa (23-28 in the Missouri Valley, 1W-1L). NDSU also handeled UM-Duluth rather easily but had one slip up agianst U-Mary. When you go from facing pitchers throwing 87-92 consistantly to facing 76-82 your timing is off and it is tough to get going offensively. Anyone that has played baseball enough at that level knows that. On a side note NDSU finished second at the 2006 DI Independent tournament and third at the 2007 tournament.
Wow, that's a lot of excuses for NDSU in one paragraph! DAC pitchers throw 76-82? Have you ever seen a DAC game? 85-90 is the typical fastball in the DAC. Get real!
85-90 a typical fastball?!?!?! Are you serious? That may be the typical fastball for each teams #1 starter maybe the #2 and maybe the closer. I would give you 81-86 for the typical fastball with the top pitchers (6-8 total guys) running it at 87-91 CONSISTANTLY. There is a difference in touching that velocity and pitching at that velocity. I have been to several DAC games. I have been to the DAC tournament. I have coached youth players that were all-conference players in the DAC. I have coached against All-conference players in the DAC. I have played against All-American and All-confernece players in the DAC. I have played with All-Conference players in the DAC. I have close friends that have played and coached in the DAC. I know 4 head coaches in the DAC right now personally! The average fastball from VC in the game I attended last year vs NDSU was around 78-81 mph with the exception of Bielke around 87. How many NDSU, or UND games have you attended? How many DI games have you attended?
Willy wrote:85-90 a typical fastball?!?!?! Are you serious? That may be the typical fastball for each teams #1 starter maybe the #2 and maybe the closer. I would give you 81-86 for the typical fastball with the top pitchers (6-8 total guys) running it at 87-91 CONSISTANTLY. There is a difference in touching that velocity and pitching at that velocity. I have been to several DAC games. I have been to the DAC tournament. I have coached youth players that were all-conference players in the DAC. I have coached against All-conference players in the DAC. I have played against All-American and All-confernece players in the DAC. I have played with All-Conference players in the DAC. I have close friends that have played and coached in the DAC. I know 4 head coaches in the DAC right now personally! The average fastball from VC in the game I attended last year vs NDSU was around 78-81 mph with the exception of Bielke around 87. How many NDSU, or UND games have you attended? How many DI games have you attended?
This is my last post on the subject. You are right, NDSU has much more depth, but you can only put 9 guys on the field at a time (10 with DH). No doubt NDSU's staff should have more depth, but I still think you are underestimating the number of guys that hit 85+ consistantly in the DAC. I'm sure if you polled the two Berrys, Hager and Monlux you would find each has three guys or more on staff that meet that criteria. Cant speak for Valley City or Minot. Besides, speed isn't nearly as important mastering a change-up, breaking stuff, and locating pitches.
This is my last post as well on this topic. As I said i will give you 81-86 for an average. Are there a number of guys who "hit" 85 on the gun. Definately. But above that in the 87+ range there are maybe 7-8 tops in the conference. I know Bielke and Calhoun at VC are around 87-89 in relief. On average you will see around two starters at 84-86. Two starters around 81-83. A closer around 85-86. Two relievers around 81-83. Then the rest of the pen is 75-80/81. These are velocities that they consistantly pitch at. Not just hit once out of ten pitches. By the way you didnt answer my question about how many NDSU, UND, or DI games you have attended.
baseball1981 wrote:well laber has like a 8. somethin era this year so i think his draft chances are probably over haha, seeeing how he cant throw a pitch for a strike from what ive heard and can see on the bison site
of the region.....ooo look at the stats if u wanna know hahabaseball wrote:hows Lorenz doing down at Iowa Western? i looked at the roster and it says he was SOY.....i remember someone else winning the award but ok...
baseball1981 wrote:of the region.....ooo look at the stats if u wanna know hahabaseball wrote:hows Lorenz doing down at Iowa Western? i looked at the roster and it says he was SOY.....i remember someone else winning the award but ok...
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