maddog1971 wrote:Spoke with one of my customers in another state and he has kids (lots) and we spoke about the problems we have in this state.... They have 10 time the schools we do but he laughed at the thought that Privates and Public schools play each other. He said he has never even heard of something like that before. In his state they have a few levels of private schools and the high end privates don't even play that many teams in the state... they travel to other states to play all the time.
maddog1971 wrote:Spoke with one of my customers in another state and he has kids (lots) and we spoke about the problems we have in this state.... They have 10 time the schools we do but he laughed at the thought that Privates and Public schools play each other. He said he has never even heard of something like that before. In his state they have a few levels of private schools and the high end privates don't even play that many teams in the state... they travel to other states to play all the time.
Thundersnow wrote:I think it's the right decision to reject all reclassification requests this year. I don't blame the programs for asking, as we are in uncharted territory right now. If GF Central or Hillsboro girls have another down year, I wouldn't have a problem with them playing down a level for 2 years and re-evaluating at that point.
This "private schools and public schools shouldn't play against each other" idea is complete nonsense. If you think Trinity Christian should be playing against Shanley and St. Mary's instead of against Ray and Alexander, I can't take anything you say seriously. Everyone acknowledges that the private schools have some inherent advantages, but here's the deal: some public schools have inherent advantages as well. The new 3-class system isn't completely perfect or fair, but it is night and day better than the last 25 years of the 2-class system.
RiverMiner99 wrote:Teams should never be moved down (or up). AD's know if they have good teams or bad teams. Schedule down if you know you will not compete.
Obviously, the privates don't have enough schools in ND to have their own division. I think it would be nice if they understood that and maybe didn't threaten lawsuits.
maddog1971 wrote:Privates have to play somebody because there is not enough private schools in our state so WE have it right that a 3rd division was started. The problem is with one Private getting put in Class B. I have no problem with the system right now except for the travel time. I like some schools are doing the double header, boys and girls. Nobody needs to be put down because of their success... wait a few years.. programs rebound...
maddog1971 wrote:Privates have to play somebody because there is not enough private schools in our state so WE have it right that a 3rd division was started. The problem is with one Private getting put in Class B. I have no problem with the system right now except for the travel time. I like some schools are doing the double header, boys and girls. Nobody needs to be put down because of their success... wait a few years.. programs rebound...
WalkingStick wrote:maddog1971 wrote:Privates have to play somebody because there is not enough private schools in our state so WE have it right that a 3rd division was started. The problem is with one Private getting put in Class B. I have no problem with the system right now except for the travel time. I like some schools are doing the double header, boys and girls. Nobody needs to be put down because of their success... wait a few years.. programs rebound...
We know it's Bishop Ryan you hate and want in Class A...even though their enrollment squarely places them in B.
Side Note: the way Kindred's boys are set up for the next few years they could have the success points to move them to AA for 2025-2026...but I do think they could compete well with many of the bottom rung of AA schools right now (Horace, Shanley, St. Mary's, Williston).
bk1990 wrote:WalkingStick wrote:maddog1971 wrote:Privates have to play somebody because there is not enough private schools in our state so WE have it right that a 3rd division was started. The problem is with one Private getting put in Class B. I have no problem with the system right now except for the travel time. I like some schools are doing the double header, boys and girls. Nobody needs to be put down because of their success... wait a few years.. programs rebound...
We know it's Bishop Ryan you hate and want in Class A...even though their enrollment squarely places them in B.
Side Note: the way Kindred's boys are set up for the next few years they could have the success points to move them to AA for 2025-2026...but I do think they could compete well with many of the bottom rung of AA schools right now (Horace, Shanley, St. Mary's, Williston).
Honestly, I think Kindred would give the upper level AA schools a run, if not beat most of them. They just have wealth of talent right now. But what about when their junior class graduates? Not sure how strong the younger classes are, now they could be "punished" because of a good upper class.
Also, Devils Lake would only have to get to the championship the next two years and would be moved up, they are in "A" now, as they were "A" in the two class system. Same thing also, good junior class. When they leave, is the cupboard bare? Now the sophomores now struggle with the move to AA?
maddog1971 wrote:Well Kindred has been really good for about 5 years right now. This years Junior Class is loaded with great talent on the football field and Basketball field in boys but girls not so much. Struggled to compete in volleyball and basketball but they are playing right where they belong. Yes after next year, when this years Juniors are gone, Kindred will be in the middle of the pack in everything. That does not mean in a few years one of younger classes wont be loaded. Grade school is over flowing right now.
As far as reclassification.... If the Privates can not compete for 10 years .. let them move down.... but to threaten with law suits because you want to stay playing small class b schools is shameful.
Remember being competitive is winning at or near .500 and finishing in the top 4 of your region. Not winning the region each year and having 3 losses.
bk1990 wrote:maddog1971 wrote:Well Kindred has been really good for about 5 years right now. This years Junior Class is loaded with great talent on the football field and Basketball field in boys but girls not so much. Struggled to compete in volleyball and basketball but they are playing right where they belong. Yes after next year, when this years Juniors are gone, Kindred will be in the middle of the pack in everything. That does not mean in a few years one of younger classes wont be loaded. Grade school is over flowing right now.
As far as reclassification.... If the Privates can not compete for 10 years .. let them move down.... but to threaten with law suits because you want to stay playing small class b schools is shameful.
Remember being competitive is winning at or near .500 and finishing in the top 4 of your region. Not winning the region each year and having 3 losses.
Probably shouldn't comment and keep poking the bear, but what else is there to do on a cold winter day.
"Being competitive is winning at or near .500 and finishing in the top 4 of your region?"
Sorry, I thought being competitive was striving to be the best all the time. If you are happy with being successful only half the time, that's your choice. Going to a parochial schools, the students are held to high standards, academically, morally and apparently athletically. NDHSAA says you have 2 F's you can't play sports, from what I have heard, parochial's say if you have 1 F grade, you can't play. Not saying kids in public schools don't strive to be successful, they do. But you seem to take it personal when "private" school kids have any measure of success.
maddog1971 wrote:bk1990 wrote:maddog1971 wrote:Well Kindred has been really good for about 5 years right now. This years Junior Class is loaded with great talent on the football field and Basketball field in boys but girls not so much. Struggled to compete in volleyball and basketball but they are playing right where they belong. Yes after next year, when this years Juniors are gone, Kindred will be in the middle of the pack in everything. That does not mean in a few years one of younger classes wont be loaded. Grade school is over flowing right now.
As far as reclassification.... If the Privates can not compete for 10 years .. let them move down.... but to threaten with law suits because you want to stay playing small class b schools is shameful.
Remember being competitive is winning at or near .500 and finishing in the top 4 of your region. Not winning the region each year and having 3 losses.
Probably shouldn't comment and keep poking the bear, but what else is there to do on a cold winter day.
"Being competitive is winning at or near .500 and finishing in the top 4 of your region?"
Sorry, I thought being competitive was striving to be the best all the time. If you are happy with being successful only half the time, that's your choice. Going to a parochial schools, the students are held to high standards, academically, morally and apparently athletically. NDHSAA says you have 2 F's you can't play sports, from what I have heard, parochial's say if you have 1 F grade, you can't play. Not saying kids in public schools don't strive to be successful, they do. But you seem to take it personal when "private" school kids have any measure of success.
Zero problem with any Private school that compete at the level they should be playing. Hats off to DT, Oak Grove, Shiloh BUT privates complaining about not being fair makes me angry. Shanley has all my respect in the world. The compete at the level they know they can compete at. They might not win every year but they compete.
packers21 wrote:Thundersnow wrote:I think it's the right decision to reject all reclassification requests this year. I don't blame the programs for asking, as we are in uncharted territory right now. If GF Central or Hillsboro girls have another down year, I wouldn't have a problem with them playing down a level for 2 years and re-evaluating at that point.
This "private schools and public schools shouldn't play against each other" idea is complete nonsense. If you think Trinity Christian should be playing against Shanley and St. Mary's instead of against Ray and Alexander, I can't take anything you say seriously. Everyone acknowledges that the private schools have some inherent advantages, but here's the deal: some public schools have inherent advantages as well. The new 3-class system isn't completely perfect or fair, but it is night and day better than the last 25 years of the 2-class system.
Better than maybe the last 2 years, def not 25. Not much difference between TC (who is the outlier in privates, most ppl dont even know they exist) playing Shanley than Carrington playing Belcourt or DL.
WalkingStick wrote:Just to clarify the past 3 seasons (what TommiesFan used for example) for all 4 schools + this year's record in their new class (as of 1/24)
Hillsboro-CV Girls (in Class B)
2022-2023: 5-18
2021-2022: 2-19
2020-2021: 1-19
TOTAL: 8-56
2023-2024: 5-10 (5-5 vs. B schools; 0-5 vs. A schools)
Four Winds-Minnewaukan Girls (in Class B)
2022-2023: 12-11
2021-2022: 22-1
2020-2021: 15-8
TOTAL: 49-20
2023-2024: 6-8
GF Central Girls (in original Class A)
2022-2023: 4-18
2021-2022: 0-22
2020-2021: 2-20
TOTAL: 6-60
2023-2024: 2-10
Carrington Boys (in Class B)
2022-2023: 13-10
2021-2022: 11-12
2020-2021: 7-14
TOTAL: 31-36
2023-2024: 1-10
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