North Dakota Preps

wolves65 wrote:put up all the points you want, neither Maple valley or Richland will go to State and that is the goal. Ask Olivia which would she take-stats or a trip to Bismarck.

ClassBEast wrote:

StraightShooter wrote:

scoobyx2 wrote:

StraightShooter wrote:In my opinion, the Senior Athlete Award is a little misleading as to who the best player in the district/region is. Take Richland for example. Oliva Johnson is clearly a very good player. All-State, All-District, etc. Her numbers are going to be huge again this year because Richland runs EVERYTHING through her (as they should). If you put Johnson on a better team like Kindred or Central Cass, would she put up the same numbers? Probably not. Would she be thought of as the favorite for this award? I don't think so. If you put Courtney Dixon from CC on Richland, would she put up huge numbers too? Probably.

I think Johnson wins it because her numbers will be so much better than everyone else in District 2 and Region 1. I think players like Dahl (Kindred), Dixon (Central Cass), and Voss (Central Cass) have a chance to challenge Johnson.

This same thing applies with other players in the District. Take the Nudell girl for example. Once again a very good player, especially for her age. She puts up monster numbers. But she plays for Maple Valley. Is Nudell better than Dahl, Dixon, or Voss right now because she puts up better numbers? No. But people look at the boxcore and make their opinions based on that. The boxscore doesn't tell the whole story.

Again, I'm not taking anything away from Nudell or Johnson. I think they are great players. I was just using them as an example.

Johnson will win it because she is a workhorse who is consistent. She earns every rebound which leads to her points. I don't think that would be any different if she played on another team including any Class A team. As for Nudell, she is talented. As an 8th grader, if the teams in District 2 can't stop her from putting up big number, then she is either really good or the teams are not as good as they think.

Johnson will win it becasue she puts up big numbers as the only player on a team that's not as good as other teams in the district. Again, Johnson is a very good player. But if Johnson played on a better team, she would put up similar numbers to what Dixon and Dahl will put up.

Nudell IS talented. Never said she wasn't. But, like every player who plays varsity basketball as a Jr. Higher (boys or girls), she has been crowned as the next Miss Basketball. Same thing happend with Taylor Kraft. Same thing is happening for Olivia Johnson. I guarantee you if you let players like Tatum Holt from Oak Grove or Hannah Breske from Central Cass take every single shot and do everything for their respective teams, people would be saying how THEY are the best players in the district/region.

As far as your "District 2 can't stop her from putting up big numbers" comment: good teams did "stop" her and she went off against less talented teams. Again, I'm not saying she's not talented. Clearly she is. To be able to play at this level as a 7th grader is impressive. But people look at the boxscore and say "Oh Jeez. This 7th grader scored 25 points last night! Wow!" Albeit impressive, she does EVERYTHING for them. So by default, she's going to put up big numbers. Again, the boxscore doesn't tell the whole story.

I agree with you. For example, Nudell got the MVP award for the Courts Plus league this summer. Clearly, she was not the best player in the league (MN schools, Class A schools, good Class B schools), but she was by far the best player on her team so she had great stats. Hannah Breske (CC) was one of the five on the "all-star" list for the league, but I would take her over Nudell any day of the week. She's just better. She's older, has more experience and right now, she is a better player.

The same thing goes for the all-district team. The girls selected aren't truly the best 12 girls in the district. They are each the best on their team, but # 1 on Maple Valley's teams isn't necessarily better than # 5 on Central Cass's team. Last year, say Nudell went to Central Cass instead of Maple Valley, there is a distinct possibility that she would not even be on the varsity as a 7th grader, and she certainly wouldn't be playing enough to make the all-district team.

Sorry, this was off-topic as neither of those girls are seniors, but when they are, I would be willing to bet they will be Miss BB candidates in their respective senior years.

StraightShooter wrote:

ClassBEast wrote:

StraightShooter wrote:

scoobyx2 wrote:

StraightShooter wrote:In my opinion, the Senior Athlete Award is a little misleading as to who the best player in the district/region is. Take Richland for example. Oliva Johnson is clearly a very good player. All-State, All-District, etc. Her numbers are going to be huge again this year because Richland runs EVERYTHING through her (as they should). If you put Johnson on a better team like Kindred or Central Cass, would she put up the same numbers? Probably not. Would she be thought of as the favorite for this award? I don't think so. If you put Courtney Dixon from CC on Richland, would she put up huge numbers too? Probably.

I think Johnson wins it because her numbers will be so much better than everyone else in District 2 and Region 1. I think players like Dahl (Kindred), Dixon (Central Cass), and Voss (Central Cass) have a chance to challenge Johnson.

This same thing applies with other players in the District. Take the Nudell girl for example. Once again a very good player, especially for her age. She puts up monster numbers. But she plays for Maple Valley. Is Nudell better than Dahl, Dixon, or Voss right now because she puts up better numbers? No. But people look at the boxcore and make their opinions based on that. The boxscore doesn't tell the whole story.

Again, I'm not taking anything away from Nudell or Johnson. I think they are great players. I was just using them as an example.

Johnson will win it because she is a workhorse who is consistent. She earns every rebound which leads to her points. I don't think that would be any different if she played on another team including any Class A team. As for Nudell, she is talented. As an 8th grader, if the teams in District 2 can't stop her from putting up big number, then she is either really good or the teams are not as good as they think.

Johnson will win it becasue she puts up big numbers as the only player on a team that's not as good as other teams in the district. Again, Johnson is a very good player. But if Johnson played on a better team, she would put up similar numbers to what Dixon and Dahl will put up.

Nudell IS talented. Never said she wasn't. But, like every player who plays varsity basketball as a Jr. Higher (boys or girls), she has been crowned as the next Miss Basketball. Same thing happend with Taylor Kraft. Same thing is happening for Olivia Johnson. I guarantee you if you let players like Tatum Holt from Oak Grove or Hannah Breske from Central Cass take every single shot and do everything for their respective teams, people would be saying how THEY are the best players in the district/region.

As far as your "District 2 can't stop her from putting up big numbers" comment: good teams did "stop" her and she went off against less talented teams. Again, I'm not saying she's not talented. Clearly she is. To be able to play at this level as a 7th grader is impressive. But people look at the boxscore and say "Oh Jeez. This 7th grader scored 25 points last night! Wow!" Albeit impressive, she does EVERYTHING for them. So by default, she's going to put up big numbers. Again, the boxscore doesn't tell the whole story.

I agree with you. For example, Nudell got the MVP award for the Courts Plus league this summer. Clearly, she was not the best player in the league (MN schools, Class A schools, good Class B schools), but she was by far the best player on her team so she had great stats. Hannah Breske (CC) was one of the five on the "all-star" list for the league, but I would take her over Nudell any day of the week. She's just better. She's older, has more experience and right now, she is a better player.

The same thing goes for the all-district team. The girls selected aren't truly the best 12 girls in the district. They are each the best on their team, but # 1 on Maple Valley's teams isn't necessarily better than # 5 on Central Cass's team. Last year, say Nudell went to Central Cass instead of Maple Valley, there is a distinct possibility that she would not even be on the varsity as a 7th grader, and she certainly wouldn't be playing enough to make the all-district team.

Sorry, this was off-topic as neither of those girls are seniors, but when they are, I would be willing to bet they will be Miss BB candidates in their respective senior years.

4thegame wrote:actually im pretty sure that there were a couple class A schools in the west that started playing 8th graders. I know exactly what you are talking about as far as stats being inflated because of the earlier start to their careers, but you cant take anything away from some of these girls becuase they have the talent level to compete at the varsity level at that age. but i will say that all to often i am dissappointed when i see these players that are hyped up because of their numbers. and yeah the numbers don't account for the difference in players rolls on their respective teams, what the coach is trying to accomplish, and even how officials are officiating on a particular night.

scoobyx2 wrote:

4thegame wrote:actually im pretty sure that there were a couple class A schools in the west that started playing 8th graders. I know exactly what you are talking about as far as stats being inflated because of the earlier start to their careers, but you cant take anything away from some of these girls becuase they have the talent level to compete at the varsity level at that age. but i will say that all to often i am dissappointed when i see these players that are hyped up because of their numbers. and yeah the numbers don't account for the difference in players rolls on their respective teams, what the coach is trying to accomplish, and even how officials are officiating on a particular night.

Minot is the only Class A school to list any 8th graders on their roster. They had 2, but I would guess that they got moved up since they didn't have any freshmen. Its hard for younger players at Class A schools to get moved up because they are still generally attending school in middle school, and can get a lot of playing time staying down. There were actually only 6 freshman in the WDA...1-Jamestown, 2-Bismarck, 3-TM.

Run4Fun2009 wrote:

scoobyx2 wrote:

4thegame wrote:actually im pretty sure that there were a couple class A schools in the west that started playing 8th graders. I know exactly what you are talking about as far as stats being inflated because of the earlier start to their careers, but you cant take anything away from some of these girls becuase they have the talent level to compete at the varsity level at that age. but i will say that all to often i am dissappointed when i see these players that are hyped up because of their numbers. and yeah the numbers don't account for the difference in players rolls on their respective teams, what the coach is trying to accomplish, and even how officials are officiating on a particular night.

Minot is the only Class A school to list any 8th graders on their roster. They had 2, but I would guess that they got moved up since they didn't have any freshmen. Its hard for younger players at Class A schools to get moved up because they are still generally attending school in middle school, and can get a lot of playing time staying down. There were actually only 6 freshman in the WDA...1-Jamestown, 2-Bismarck, 3-TM.

Shanley played a 7th grader occasionally.

VB2009 wrote:District 8 - Mckenzie Hart or Julie Dinius or Allison Slaubaugh. All great athletes!

EHS1998 wrote:Watch out for Brianna Vance from Ellendale o have a solid year as well. She is a gym rat and no one works harder than she does in the off season.

LoveNDSports wrote:Any early predictions for each District anyone?

gameplayer wrote:

VB2009 wrote:District 8 - Mckenzie Hart or Julie Dinius or Allison Slaubaugh. All great athletes!

I dont think Allison Slaubaugh is the fifth best player on her team.

classbkillas wrote:

EHS1998 wrote:Watch out for Brianna Vance from Ellendale o have a solid year as well. She is a gym rat and no one works harder than she does in the off season.

I don't think Vance can even be counted in this. Yes she has talent... but shes nothing compared to the other players in the region.

bequickdonthurry wrote:

classbkillas wrote:

EHS1998 wrote:Watch out for Brianna Vance from Ellendale o have a solid year as well. She is a gym rat and no one works harder than she does in the off season.

I don't think Vance can even be counted in this. Yes she has talent... but shes nothing compared to the other players in the region.

So what other players? Keep in mind, the thread is DISTRICT players, not region. Whatcha got for district 5 players?

bball4 wrote:

bequickdonthurry wrote:

classbkillas wrote:

EHS1998 wrote:Watch out for Brianna Vance from Ellendale o have a solid year as well. She is a gym rat and no one works harder than she does in the off season.

I don't think Vance can even be counted in this. Yes she has talent... but shes nothing compared to the other players in the region.

So what other players? Keep in mind, the thread is DISTRICT players, not region. Whatcha got for district 5 players?

I completely agree with you, bequick. I have been trying to catch some D5 games & have seen Ellendale a few times. I watched Vance the last couple years and she is vastly improved. Carlson from PBK has put up big numbers in the past, but her team mate, Beckley (?...not sure if she is a Senior) has been doing a nice job for the Rebels also. I have yet to see BCN play, but Vance is certainly amoung the top Seniors of District 5.

bequickdonthurry wrote:Beckley is a junior. So Vance and Carlson have been mentioned. Any others from this district?