Region5SportsFan wrote:Apologies to the "Region 5 -2009--2010" thread where a smattering of tournament talk has taken place already. I prefer to keep topics a little more specific so I'm starting this one.
Unfortunately, Im a bit too busy for the in-depth regional coverage I did last year, but we can still do a bit of analysis.
GAME 1
(1)Standing Rock Warriors
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(4)Washburn Cardinals
Game thoughts: Long really didn't take a lot of shots, only 15. Washburn played her pretty good and tight and she seemed content to pass it up a lot of the time when she was covered. That's actually a really good sign over last year where she forced up a lot shots in coverage, my bet is that scouting colleges put that in their plus column (although she did put up a few questionable three pointers). Washburn had a dreadful night shooting except for Leidholm who hit 3 big three pointers and gave the team some life in the second half. Standing Rock forced a lot of turnovers on defense and that was hands down the deciding factor. If you can't hold on to the ball on offense, you aren't going to win the big games.
GAME 2
(3)New Salem Holstines
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(2)Sheridan County Coyotes
Game thoughts: Sheridan County was in trouble from the get-go. They sank shots to get the place they got in the district tournament, but they weren't making anything and that spelled trouble for them even when they had the lead. The inside game from Martwick was a bit subdued and I thought they should have went to her more when the shots weren't falling. Big props to New Salem for how to handled the pressure of being down in the second half. They came up with some big stops and converted on the other end to turn the game on it's head.
GAME 3
(3)Underwood Comets
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(2)Grant County Coyotes
Game thoughts: The Comets are amazingly lucky that Alix Auck has come as far as she has, cause they would have lost this game without her. She had almost all of the points for the Comets in the first half. Dammen was guarded pretty well and never really tried that much to drive inside. Bentz is a freak, and I mean that in the best way possible. She's nearly a complete player as a freshman and she almost put the Coyotes over the top. I thought that the late game performance out of Underwood's role-players gave them the win in the end tho.
GAME 4
(1)Turtle Lake-Mercer-McClusky Trojans
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(4)Flasher
Game thoughts: Oops, I skipped the game to have supper with a friend. Analysis, anyone? I do like that The Trojans have FINALLY started to do a bit of the high-low post offense this year, although they aren't very consistent with it,
Advice for teams going home:
Washburn: No pure ball handler for Washburn right now, Schell can't do everything if the team is expecting to win. Posts need to work on their post moves, turn and shoot only works until defenders realize that you can only turn and shoot because then you end up eating the ball. Leidholm really forged herself a place on the team this year, she's a perfect fit for shooting guard in that lineup. Call it what you will, but adding Clayton next year is going to help a ton in the ball handling department.
Sheridan County: If I'm not mistaken, this is the end of Sheridan County's basketball program. They have nothing to be ashamed of, they had a good run in the district tournament and probably could have won this game but it was not to be. I can only imagine how hard it is to run a successful program with only 8 girls, but they did good. A number of the remaining girls will make good additions to whichever program they join up with, especially Tkach. Also, mad props to Neilie Dockter and her sweet shoes. I'm going to actually miss going to games in McClusky and Goodrich.
Grant County: Ashley Bentz is one of the most promising basketball players I have ever seen. Leading the team with 16ppg, 9rpg, and 5apg as a Freshman, she almost has a senior feel to her when shes playing. She has definitely improved since last year, but still needs more work on her shooting. She is also very stone faced while playing, someone tell that girl to have some fun out there and her game will pick up because of it. Numbers look to be sparse next year, but if Lince becomes less of a string-bean while getting some post moves down and Wells steps up as a Senior and continues this year's output, they will be a Regional tournament team again.
Flasher: Oops, due to weather and job responsibilities, I didn't make it to Flasher this year so I know very little about this team. Sorry!
Final Thoughts: A lot of girls basketball players have a very bad habit of falling on their knees instead of just going all the way to the ground when they get knocked down. Its small wonder there are so many players wearing knee braces. Coaches should start coaching the best way to fall to the ground, I think.
Also, still hating the three-ref system. Its inconsistent at best. I haven't spoken to any this year about it, but like I said last year, the ones I talked to seemed to prefer the 2 man system.
rock83 wrote:Good analysis, not sure about the falling thing, but other than that pretty good analysis. Speaking of post work this part has really gone down hill in the last few years. I think it is probably because we dont have girls work individually on skills. I dont know of one player in region 5 that has great post moves. they all do a turn around or maybe a drop step. Some are successful because they are taller or get alot of put backs, but can you think of a player that has good post moves inthe region. Look at the region teams, Standing Rock only White Bull and she does a little drop step and a sweeping layup going baseline each time. Flasher, none. New Salem, there post is mainly a turn around or faceup shooter, Grant County Benz dont see her in the post enough to tell, she is needed with the ball in her hand. Sheridan County turn arounds. Turtle Lake Bayless uses her size to shoot over people, Underwood Auck has really improved alot and has become a nice player, but she mainly does a turnaround and put backs. Washburn, Schell probably their best post player is very limited and only right handed. Am I missing someone, i think it just comes down to the time spent on their skills. A lot of good athletes without alot of great skill.
NDFan09 wrote:I would agree with most of this, with one exception. I don't think TLM matches up the best with SR simply because of the pressure that SR can put on their ballhandlers. Versus Underwood the other night I thought they looked a little rattled against full court pressure and SR will bring it for a lot longer. TLM has had people really outplay their season performances in tournament play thus far - they will need that and then a little more to pull this off tonite. If not I'm afraid it could get out of reach.
NDFan09 wrote:I would agree with most of this, with one exception. I don't think TLM matches up the best with SR simply because of the pressure that SR can put on their ballhandlers. Versus Underwood the other night I thought they looked a little rattled against full court pressure and SR will bring it for a lot longer. TLM has had people really outplay their season performances in tournament play thus far - they will need that and then a little more to pull this off tonite. If not I'm afraid it could get out of reach.
Region5SportsFan wrote:NDFan09 wrote:I would agree with most of this, with one exception. I don't think TLM matches up the best with SR simply because of the pressure that SR can put on their ballhandlers. Versus Underwood the other night I thought they looked a little rattled against full court pressure and SR will bring it for a lot longer. TLM has had people really outplay their season performances in tournament play thus far - they will need that and then a little more to pull this off tonite. If not I'm afraid it could get out of reach.
So you are saying Underwood would match up with them better? I may be able to see that POV, but I don't agree with it. On a person by person basis, I think that TLMM is the best match against SR. Everett against Long and doubling down against White Bull has a chance to work because of their height.
But of course, this all hinges on the idea that they are going to play like they have in the post-season and not like they did during the regular season.
Region5SportsFan wrote:NDFan09 wrote:I would agree with most of this, with one exception. I don't think TLM matches up the best with SR simply because of the pressure that SR can put on their ballhandlers. Versus Underwood the other night I thought they looked a little rattled against full court pressure and SR will bring it for a lot longer. TLM has had people really outplay their season performances in tournament play thus far - they will need that and then a little more to pull this off tonite. If not I'm afraid it could get out of reach.
So you are saying Underwood would match up with them better? I may be able to see that POV, but I don't agree with it. On a person by person basis, I think that TLMM is the best match against SR. Everett against Long and doubling down against White Bull has a chance to work because of their height.
But of course, this all hinges on the idea that they are going to play like they have in the post-season and not like they did during the regular season.
NDFan09 wrote:Region5SportsFan wrote:NDFan09 wrote:I would agree with most of this, with one exception. I don't think TLM matches up the best with SR simply because of the pressure that SR can put on their ballhandlers. Versus Underwood the other night I thought they looked a little rattled against full court pressure and SR will bring it for a lot longer. TLM has had people really outplay their season performances in tournament play thus far - they will need that and then a little more to pull this off tonite. If not I'm afraid it could get out of reach.
So you are saying Underwood would match up with them better? I may be able to see that POV, but I don't agree with it. On a person by person basis, I think that TLMM is the best match against SR. Everett against Long and doubling down against White Bull has a chance to work because of their height.
But of course, this all hinges on the idea that they are going to play like they have in the post-season and not like they did during the regular season.
That last sentence says it all. Based on what I have seen over the course of the entire season I would say that either Washburn or Underwood would have had a better chance at handling SR's pressure than TLM. One fan's opinion. Washburn had there chance. Underwood didn't earn their chance. TlM gets theirs tonite. Time will tell.
espnjunkie wrote:I agree and didn't see TLM play during season but based on their record I would assume they're pleasantly surprised to be in this situation...but if we make the same argument based on post season play I would say TLM has as good of a chance as either Underwood or Washburn would have and considering TLM beat them both - it's sort of an unfair statement to make (today) even though it carries some weight considering regular season play. Not sure if TLM is on a lucky streak or just peaking at the right time but this is girls bb and either explanation for their recent success could result in an upset tonight. Anyone know the point margin between SR's win over Wash and TLM's win over Washburn? Maybe means nothing but it should be at least considered as part of the discussion.
rock83 wrote:The best matchup may have happened the first round for Standing Rock. Washburn has more quickness and some better ball handlers. Dont think Turtle Lake has the quickness or ball handlers to stay with Standing Rock. Washburn had trouble with Standing Rocks pressure and they handle the ball better than Turtle Lake. Although if bayless gets Standing Rock in foul trouble and they are able to handle the pressure fairly well then it could be interesting. There is no comparison with everett and long. Long is in a whole league above everett and there is now way they can have everett guard long. Everett doesnt have quickness to get by anyone or to guard a quick person. Long is going to have a pile of points tonight.
I think that turtle lake will have to play zone because they dont have the quickness to stay with long. But you never know
dedicated Spectator wrote:rock83 wrote:The best matchup may have happened the first round for Standing Rock. Washburn has more quickness and some better ball handlers. Dont think Turtle Lake has the quickness or ball handlers to stay with Standing Rock. Washburn had trouble with Standing Rocks pressure and they handle the ball better than Turtle Lake. Although if bayless gets Standing Rock in foul trouble and they are able to handle the pressure fairly well then it could be interesting. There is no comparison with everett and long. Long is in a whole league above everett and there is now way they can have everett guard long. Everett doesnt have quickness to get by anyone or to guard a quick person. Long is going to have a pile of points tonight.
I think that turtle lake will have to play zone because they dont have the quickness to stay with long. But you never know
Based on the overly harsh remarks made against Everett, I would have to say someone has a beef against TLM and a good little ball-handler. I've seen all the teams play, as well as I'm sure everyone else has and Everett is one of THE best ball handler's in the district. Her and another little girl from the Garrison School. In fact every team I've seen play could have used a player with Everett's ball handling skills. As for her with-standing SR's pressure, she may have to dig a little deep, but so would anyone else. Kudos to TLM for beating the teams they had to beat just to play in tonight's game! I'd support any one of the district 10 teams that made it to the Championship round.
rock83 wrote:I dont think to many people would disagree that Long is a much better player than everett. Why if you say that do you have a beef with something. I really like the way Long plays the game, she plays hard without any theatrics. She acts like she has been there before.dedicated Spectator wrote:rock83 wrote:The best matchup may have happened the first round for Standing Rock. Washburn has more quickness and some better ball handlers. Dont think Turtle Lake has the quickness or ball handlers to stay with Standing Rock. Washburn had trouble with Standing Rocks pressure and they handle the ball better than Turtle Lake. Although if bayless gets Standing Rock in foul trouble and they are able to handle the pressure fairly well then it could be interesting. There is no comparison with everett and long. Long is in a whole league above everett and there is now way they can have everett guard long. Everett doesnt have quickness to get by anyone or to guard a quick person. Long is going to have a pile of points tonight.
I think that turtle lake will have to play zone because they dont have the quickness to stay with long. But you never know
dedicated Spectator wrote:rock83 wrote:I dont think to many people would disagree that Long is a much better player than everett. Why if you say that do you have a beef with something. I really like the way Long plays the game, she plays hard without any theatrics. She acts like she has been there before.dedicated Spectator wrote:rock83 wrote:The best matchup may have happened the first round for Standing Rock. Washburn has more quickness and some better ball handlers. Dont think Turtle Lake has the quickness or ball handlers to stay with Standing Rock. Washburn had trouble with Standing Rocks pressure and they handle the ball better than Turtle Lake. Although if bayless gets Standing Rock in foul trouble and they are able to handle the pressure fairly well then it could be interesting. There is no comparison with everett and long. Long is in a whole league above everett and there is now way they can have everett guard long. Everett doesnt have quickness to get by anyone or to guard a quick person. Long is going to have a pile of points tonight.
I think that turtle lake will have to play zone because they dont have the quickness to stay with long. But you never know
I'm in no way making a response in reference to comparisons with Shauna long. I'm responding to your comment "Everett doesnt have quickness to get by anyone or to guard a quick person." Anyone is a strong statement. Hmm I wonder! Have you seen all of TLM's games?
rock83 wrote: I really like the way Long plays the game, she plays hard without any theatrics. She acts like she has been there before.
underdog wrote:T.L.- M. is a tale of two teams. They won the county tourney pretty easily, and then did'nt play very well for and good part of the season. They have played extemely well as of late it when has mattered the most, and have defeated some quality teams in the process and deserve to be where there are at. They match up better with SR RIGHT NOW than any other team in the tourney. I beleive SR beat Washburn by ten the other night. I cannot remember the score, but T.L. beat Washburn by more than ten in the opening round of the disticts. I think that has to say something about the way they are executing.
I think T.L. deserves a little credit for where they are at. If either team comes out flat, the game could be over in a hurry. Guess we'll see in a few hrs.
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