vballfan06 wrote:Yeah---I would have to agree with you. I, personally, am not a fan of all tournament teams at all. At the same time, I think Region 5 has a history of doing things like this:
I remember a couple of years ago in volleyball (not basketball---but I do have a point), Christy Gabrielson did not win the district or region player of the year. The girl that did win---good ball play don't get me wrong, she created alot of match-up problems---but Christy was just a phenomenal player. I'm not sure that region will ever have a ball player like that again--she could do it all, and she CARRIED her team to the state tournament (3 times).
Point being, alot of coaches either don't do that great a job evaluating---or need to personal issues aside when selecting these teams.
9manfootballmom wrote:This could be a topic for all team sports but I'll put it here because this is where I saw it happen.
In region 5, there are a few people who are selected to sit in the stands and watch all 3 games and decide who are the best players from each team during that tournament. SO...
TEams that play one game and lose in the quarterfinals are only seen once and maybe didn't have a great game, as they lost.
Then: at the end of the tourney there are 4 teams that have played three games and these people in the seats have had a chance to watch and choose the best 10-12 players from all 8 teams. Of course there would probably be one girl from one of the teams that only played one game but was a stand out in that game and most likely deserved the honor of being chosen as an all tournament player...HOWEVER
In region 5 the second place team only had 1 girl chosen. The three from the first place team were rightfully deserving so that isn't even a factor. The third place team had two as did the fourth place team. I feel that these were good choices.
Center had one girl and Sheridan County had one. (each team lost in quarters)
Then two of the other four teams that lost in the first round..Went like this ... New Salem ... no one was chosen, Standing Rock had two girls named to the all tournament team...( No disrespect for the Rock I haven't followed them and know they have some good athletes ) Now maybe these two girls had superior seasons but this was for the tournament only...and they only played one game...one of the two chosen for the all tournament team had a technical foul for swearing or arguing with the ref...and those technical foul free throws put Washburn back in the game to win...so...what are the criteria?
What are the criteria for the ones that are in the stands choosing?
Should there even be all tournament teams? Is there a better way to chose them? Is each region in the same boat about these all tournament teams?
What do you think?
ndlionsfan wrote:I really don't think all tourney teams are political. Most of the time the committee is made up of radio people, newspaper reporters, whoever runs the clock, the official book, the tourney manager, etc. People who are at EVERY single game and can give an unbiased opinion as possible. Also, I don't think many regions have an all tourney team just due to the fact that only 4 teams actually get to play 3 games and the other 4 only get one.
9manfootballmom wrote:You know what? I was under the impression that on this website there were people who might have insight on what is happening in other regions, districts, etc. Obviously, there are some who just answer the questions and there are others who just want to stir the pot.
I coached varsity volleyball for 11 years and that coaching was the first in an area where i had to start the program. ( I am po'd right now so my grammar might be a bit rusty) I was there for 5 years and took a 1 -21 team the first year to regionals the next four years. I did it with respect for my girls and my program yet I took a lot of grief along the way from parents and a lot of people who knew absolutely nothing about the sport. All tournament teams were chosen by coaches who met in a hurry between matches ...Now I know they do it differently with "unbiased' people who come to watch. I have been in that spot, too.
I came to a new area and took a non competitive team to regionals 3 of the 4 years i was the head coach. i even was chosen district coach of the year which was a nice end to the season, although not one parent agreed with it because their darling daughter didnt' make the district team. So don't tell me I haven't been in the ranks and haven;t had people watching me from the stands. THe only reason I got out of it was because I changed jobs so don't go that =route either. I love the girls and I love the sport and i resent your judgement of me because I am a mom first and the mom persona is that we don't know anything except what we think is good for our little johnny.
I also know that I can talk to ADs...I do...I know many of them in my area and they know how I feel. I am not a baffoon who just wants my kid to get awards. Besides, my kids work hard and are model athletes and students.
This forum has some great people who have been helpful thank you to them.
bigpoppakdog wrote:9manfootballmom wrote:You know what? I was under the impression that on this website there were people who might have insight on what is happening in other regions, districts, etc. Obviously, there are some who just answer the questions and there are others who just want to stir the pot.
I coached varsity volleyball for 11 years and that coaching was the first in an area where i had to start the program. ( I am po'd right now so my grammar might be a bit rusty) I was there for 5 years and took a 1 -21 team the first year to regionals the next four years. I did it with respect for my girls and my program yet I took a lot of grief along the way from parents and a lot of people who knew absolutely nothing about the sport. All tournament teams were chosen by coaches who met in a hurry between matches ...Now I know they do it differently with "unbiased' people who come to watch. I have been in that spot, too.
I came to a new area and took a non competitive team to regionals 3 of the 4 years i was the head coach. i even was chosen district coach of the year which was a nice end to the season, although not one parent agreed with it because their darling daughter didnt' make the district team. So don't tell me I haven't been in the ranks and haven;t had people watching me from the stands. THe only reason I got out of it was because I changed jobs so don't go that =route either. I love the girls and I love the sport and i resent your judgement of me because I am a mom first and the mom persona is that we don't know anything except what we think is good for our little johnny.
I also know that I can talk to ADs...I do...I know many of them in my area and they know how I feel. I am not a baffoon who just wants my kid to get awards. Besides, my kids work hard and are model athletes and students.
This forum has some great people who have been helpful thank you to them.
why do you ask questions that you should know the answers to with your coaching experience? Based on what you have said, you should know all the answers to the topics which you have posted...your comment on the "darling daughter" is hypocritcal to the the comments you have previously posted....I'm really confused on why you have posted the topics you have yet have had extensive coaching experience. The kids who post topics here don't need to see an experienced coach stirring up the pot...you should be using your experience to answer/provide insight into topics..not post topics and then make it appear you do not have a clue on what is going on, when you have been a part of the coaching profession for a substantial period of time.
Again, I want to restate that your comments/topics have been good....but to find out you have been a coach with accolades you shouldn't be posting topics asking others what the answers are...you should be answering questions/topics....
Hinsa wrote:Footballmom - you just keep right on posting. Your posts are always thoughtful and your perspective is much appreciated.
Poppadog - you are barking up the wrong tree on this one - pun INTENDED! Footballmom is just asking questions and adding to the discussion. Don't put words in her mouth. If you need clarification from her, just ask. Don't assume you know her position.
I think an apology is in order. You call her a "typical sports mom" and then go on about how she should sit on the bench in the shoes of a coach. Well she HAS COACHED, SHE'S BEEN IN THE SHOES.
The least you could do is apologize for your assumptions. Know who you are talking to before you make statements you are going to have to eat later.
bigpoppakdog wrote:Hinsa wrote:Footballmom - you just keep right on posting. Your posts are always thoughtful and your perspective is much appreciated.
Poppadog - you are barking up the wrong tree on this one - pun INTENDED! Footballmom is just asking questions and adding to the discussion. Don't put words in her mouth. If you need clarification from her, just ask. Don't assume you know her position.
I think an apology is in order. You call her a "typical sports mom" and then go on about how she should sit on the bench in the shoes of a coach. Well she HAS COACHED, SHE'S BEEN IN THE SHOES.
The least you could do is apologize for your assumptions. Know who you are talking to before you make statements you are going to have to eat later.
My point is she has made comments about "ethical issues" and then made a "darling daughter didn't make the all district team." Seems to me that's odd to say we need ethics...question on how players are selected to tournament teams..then to make a comment like that....I understand what she meant by that comment and understand the situation...she has now pointed out that she was a coach and that is good...have I written anything that has made assumptions? Yes, based on her earlier posts you would assume she was a typical sports mom who doesn't understand what its like...go ahead look back at her posts and tell me that that doesn't appear true...she discussed things about coaches running up the score....questioned the panel who selects tournament teams if Standing Rock girls bb players were deserving of all district because of a technical foul....and then turns out she was a coach is NOT something other coaches appreciate...because she should know better or at least know most of the answers to the topics she posted...she originally questions if there should be all tournament teams...are you kidding???? Its statements like that coming from a former coach that doesn't sit well with me...but I guess I don't have the right to state my opinions either????? No, of course I do, I didn't need to write that, but I wanted others to see how lame that type of statement sounds...this is a place to debate...people don't always agree with me I don't with them...that's the fun of this....but her being a former successful(from what she has said) coach, she should know better on being critical of her former peers and question the process of selecting players and specifically pointing out other teams and their players-STANDING ROCK....and then to specifically italicize the word political...making it sound like these girls are not deserving of their recognition...while stating other girls are deserving of the award....if she was just a fan...without the knowledge of coaching it would be different...but to have walked in those shoes, and to see her comments, particularly towards standing rock, and obviously other coaches who she feels run up the score, is not something she should say and then not expect others to call her on it and apologize after it.
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 31 guests