VolsFan3 wrote:Knife didn't move to bottineau yet? did she.?
fbinnd wrote:Boy, it's funny how we will applaud a high school kid for moving to win a title, but we'll despize a pro athlete for doing the same. They ask to be traded to a contender, when the other team will at least get something for him, and everyone reacts by calling the player a whiner only out for himself.
But, as long as mighty Bottineau can reload, we'll all turn a blind eye. We'll just send the message that you can abandon your teammates and do what's right for you now, and hopefully, scold her with a sense of "team" later in life.
High school athletes are just not learning perserverence anymore. If you don't like your coach, we'll fire him, even if he's good (Del Val, Starr), or, the whole family will pick up and move for your HS basketball career. North Dakota needs a better value system than high school basketball.
fan1234 wrote:With all due respect, this is about more than college basketball. If Bottineau sucked, would she transfer there? We always see the rich get richer in this situation, and it destroys the balance of high school basketball. If this is the college or pro level, where you can "price" people out of the market for some players, fine. But if she's that good, she'll get her props and go to college to play ball. This is about winning and losing, and Bottineau reloading. Wouldn't be surprised if there was some recruiting going on here.
fbinnd wrote:No one really buys the increased exposure due to a winning team rule. Every college coach in the land will know about you if you're good enough to play in college. She will get no further attention playing for Bottineau than she would have for Belcourt, and in fact, the opposite may be true. She'd get a lot more attention playing regularly in Bismarck, Minot, Dickinson, and Jamestown than playing in Bottineau or Dunseith.
This is all about wins and losses. The "I" is coming before "team". I want to win, so I'm leaving my team. This is an ugly precedent. Whoever is winning, let's join up with them. The NDHSAA expanded the rule on ineligibility on a transfer to one year because of this garbage. Starting next school year, if you leave after a season to transfer to another school with Mom and Dad elsewhere, you sit 180 school days. That way, the transfer is ineligible for an entire year in that sport. This will limit free agency in ND. Under the new rule, if you leave after your junior season, you don't have a senior season. Take mom and dad with you, or head for the greener pastures after junior high, so you can sit your year early.
cdub1 wrote:fan1234 wrote:With all due respect, this is about more than college basketball. If Bottineau sucked, would she transfer there? We always see the rich get richer in this situation, and it destroys the balance of high school basketball. If this is the college or pro level, where you can "price" people out of the market for some players, fine. But if she's that good, she'll get her props and go to college to play ball. This is about winning and losing, and Bottineau reloading. Wouldn't be surprised if there was some recruiting going on here.
well you wont be surprised because none went on and a lot of great players wont get their props because noone will get to see them play if she stayed at belcourt a college coach is gonna think "20 points and 9 rebounds a game not bad, her team is 2-9, looks like she just gets to shoot all the time" or a college coach will think "15 points and 9 rebounds and her team is 14-0 she must be pretty good"
luvmy3gbb1wr wrote:This changing of schools is not just about knife........look at other regions........alycia kramer moved from wahpeton to lidgerwood......the geffres from shanley to hankinson.......kyle brandenburg from edgeley to lamoure.......sam baldwin from d-st to grafton.......and those are just the tip of the iceberg.....all moving to better programs or to be bigger fish in a smaller pond......another example of staying put and still getting recruited, wasn't there a lemnus from enderlin that went d-1 as well?
ummm...no they didn't get your facts straight - why they left is not something that needs to be talked about on this form but i can promise you it had very little if anything to do with Barb Metcalf leaving.Baller wrote:luvmy3gbb1wr wrote:This changing of schools is not just about knife........look at other regions........alycia kramer moved from wahpeton to lidgerwood......the geffres from shanley to hankinson.......kyle brandenburg from edgeley to lamoure.......sam baldwin from d-st to grafton.......and those are just the tip of the iceberg.....all moving to better programs or to be bigger fish in a smaller pond......another example of staying put and still getting recruited, wasn't there a lemnus from enderlin that went d-1 as well?
The Geffres moved because shanley fired Metcalf...not because they wanted more time.
fbinnd wrote:Jenna Lemnus (Enderlin Eagles) played at Louisville at the beginning of her career. She is currently at NDSU, which, by the way, is a DI institution. That would be another ND player who is at the DI level.
Speaking of DI players, you can toss Kyle Steffes in that mix. Tom Hoge has signed to play golf at TCU. David Schultz did the same. Boy, the more you dig, the more you see ND kids at the DI level. So much for having to jump ship to get noticed. In fact, I would bet we have more DI kids that didn't jump ship than who did.
luvmy3gbb1wr wrote:This changing of schools is not just about knife........look at other regions........alycia kramer moved from wahpeton to lidgerwood......the geffres from shanley to hankinson.......kyle brandenburg from edgeley to lamoure.......sam baldwin from d-st to grafton.......and those are just the tip of the iceberg.....all moving to better programs or to be bigger fish in a smaller pond......another example of staying put and still getting recruited, wasn't there a lemnus from enderlin that went d-1 as well?
luvmy3gbb1wr wrote:what, you equate bigger with better?
fbinnd wrote:So, cdub says that in basketball, to guage someone's ability, you have to look at who they play against.
But before that, he said that someone scoring well on a team that wasn't winning was not as good as someone scoring well on a team that was winning.
So, under cdub's example, unless you go to state, you can never play D1 basketball. Why? Well, if you score 20 a game while destroying defenseless really small Class "B" teams, your 20 is no good because your competition is bad. And if you score 20 while losing to huge Class "A" teams, your 20 is no good because you're the only option on a losing team.
Under this wonderful scenario cdub has laid out, I have constructed a list of schools that will allow your 20 points and 10 rebounds a game to look legit. A list of schools where they do some winning, they have other options besides a single player, and they play good competition. This list should comprise every D1 womens basketball player that will ever come from North Dakota in the future, since the other teams offer no legitimacy to your stats. The list is as follows:
1. Devils Lake
2.
I guess Kielpinski has some explaining to do. Her stats are crap, since only a team or two in the west could really measure up. What a business.
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