Home court advantage(why has it been eliminated?)

[bigpoppakdog]

I've seen other topics regarding this, I hope people respond more appropriately so it doesn't get locked. This is not a topic addressing any particular school. My question is this, back in the day(I sound like I am so old don't I?) when you went to another schools home court there were some things that as an opposing player you had to deal with. The main one being the crowd. I knew going to richardton/taylor was going to be "interesting" due to being huge rivals with them, same thing could be said for Glen Ullin. When we shot free throws their crowds were not "silent" like you see now days. It wasn't viewed as unsportsmanlike, nor did I take it as unsportsmanlike. Kids of this generation didn't grow up to be a people who cry when things don't go my way, or quit a job when the boss has something to say about me or resort to violence or vandalism as retribution. A person learned to deal with adversity back then. I remember when a fan attempted to distract Larry Bird when he was shooting free throws by holding a full size poster of a model in a swimsuit. I remember he laughed and then went on to make the free throws. Today that fan might be escorted out of the gym. I would like to hear the comments people have specifically regarding "booing" or "nah nah nah chants" at games. I don't understand why that is soooo bad. Anybody agree with me, or has times changed to where we don't need that anymore? Help me out.

[chevyman11]

Heard from someone that the "nah nah nah chant" was done to Trinity after they lost in regionals. Anybody know if this is true or if anything happened?

[north_border_eagles2106]

I think the administrators at the schools have far too short of a leash on fans. Cheerleaders also get mad when fans boo because of their prestigious spirit and sportsmanship award. As long as you aren't swearing at a player or really going over the line with what you're saying I say let anything go. It was starting to get mild when I was a senior but the Cavalier fans never disappointed me for giving their two cents during a game. I remember during districts that year when Cavalier and Park River played in the first round the Cavalier crowd belted the chant "Hoc-key Re-Jects! *Clap Clap Clap-Clap-Clap*"

[9manfootballmom]

I've seen other topics regarding this, I hope people respond more appropriately so it doesn't get locked. This is not a topic addressing any particular school. My question is this, back in the day(I sound like I am so old don't I?) when you went to another schools home court there were some things that as an opposing player you had to deal with. The main one being the crowd. I knew going to richardton/taylor was going to be "interesting" due to being huge rivals with them, same thing could be said for Glen Ullin. When we shot free throws their crowds were not "silent" like you see now days. It wasn't viewed as unsportsmanlike, nor did I take it as unsportsmanlike. Kids of this generation didn't grow up to be a people who cry when things don't go my way, or quit a job when the boss has something to say about me or resort to violence or vandalism as retribution. A person learned to deal with adversity back then. I remember when a fan attempted to distract Larry Bird when he was shooting free throws by holding a full size poster of a model in a swimsuit. I remember he laughed and then went on to make the free throws. Today that fan might be escorted out of the gym. I would like to hear the comments people have specifically regarding "booing" or "nah nah nah chants" at games. I don't understand why that is soooo bad. Anybody agree with me, or has times changed to where we don't need that anymore? Help me out.

Poppa I assuming you are talking about regional and district home court advantage as everyother game basically has a home team and a visitor...anyway I thought the neutral site was to make it more like the state tournament so kids had an idea what it was like to play on a totally neutral site. I don't know but that makes sense to me. I know districts usually have to be at a home court but usually they rotate as long as the district has enough sites with enough locker rooms, seating and parking.

I guess I think at tourney time it is good for all the kids to play in a neutral site...I also know that it isn't always possible because of money, facility etc.

In region 2 they used to always have the tournies at Mayville state. Yes if MP was playing at least they didn't have to travel but it was still not their home court. Now I know they go up to Grafton, too.

Just a thought...

[biggest ticket]

How about the "Overrated" chants or the "Whos he? He not cool!" chants that echoed gyms for years. Those were the days. Now days its just yelling at reffs. Times have definitly changed.

[Wild Wolves]

I would love to have that atmosphere back, maybe the middle school kids would stay in their seats instead of running around. Those little brats make the best fans.

[north_border_eagles2106]

9manfootballmom I think he is referring to just plain old home court advantage during the season. The players today get babied so much by the schools where the events are staged. These kids are 15-18 years old they can handle a little bit of heckling. As long as it's not vulgar or abusive I think they can handle a few cheers see how mentally tough they are. When you're out there and you hear those chants, for me anyway it makes you want to play better and prove them wrong.

[9manfootballmom]

9manfootballmom I think he is referring to just plain old home court advantage during the season. The players today get babied so much by the schools where the events are staged. These kids are 15-18 years old they can handle a little bit of heckling. As long as it's not vulgar or abusive I think they can handle a few cheers see how mentally tough they are. When you're out there and you hear those chants, for me anyway it makes you want to play better and prove them wrong.

AHH Now I get it...kids aren't allowed to have the home court advantage because of stricter rules for the home court fans? (Now I see ...sorry...Now I suppose I am going to get a warning for being off topic.. )

[Stromer]

I think the administrators at the schools have far too short of a leash on fans. Cheerleaders also get mad when fans boo because of their prestigious spirit and sportsmanship award. As long as you aren't swearing at a player or really going over the line with what you're saying I say let anything go. It was starting to get mild when I was a senior but the Cavalier fans never disappointed me for giving their two cents during a game. I remember during districts that year when Cavalier and Park River played in the first round the Cavalier crowd belted the chant "Hoc-key Re-Jects! *Clap Clap Clap-Clap-Clap*"

Love it but I can think of quite a few places nowdays where you would get a warning for something creative like that. Again, some blame can be put on the NDHSAA for their sportsmanship program, with their readings, advertisements, and "security" who promote good sportsmanship. That being said, I think it really depends on the administration

[Flip]

I can remember a 5th and 6th grade tournament back 1991 (I was able to figure the year) in Linton in their tiny other gym. It was the championship and Linton had a 1 point lead with the other team shooting 2 FTs with less than 10 seconds left and whole gym was going nuts trying to get a little 6th grade girl to miss a FT. She calmly MADE both FTs and her team went on to win the championship.

I don't even know the point of that story, maybe someone could find one. But I'm completely for yelling when the opposing team shoots FTs, chanting OVER-RATED, booing officials, etc.

[BBall dominator]

A couple of my teammates and I used to travel w/ the girls to their games since they were always coming to ours. We would always cheer and start chants on away games which I guess isn't a common place but parents would always end up either calling our school or sending a letter saying how unsportsmanlike it was and the best comment of all "I thought you were supposed to a christian school". We were never vulgar just regular 'ol obnoxious chants that you see at games.

[scruffy]

Ladies and gentlemen...today we're to politically correct. We've taken a lot of fun out of the game....Be rowdy, be obnoxious and make fools of yourselves. Thit just adds mystique to a team and its supporters!!

[old lineman]

High school sports are alot softer now than in the good days

[silentbob]

Heard from someone that the "nah nah nah chant" was done to Trinity after they lost in regionals. Anybody know if this is true or if anything happened?

Yeah I heard it, but I don't think anything happened. Mott-Regent did it to RT too towards the end of their game

[Pfenix]

You can't blame the beach girls for doing that after their team had just won their biggest game in 6 years. Every school in that region has had to endure a rain of "Na Na Na Na's" every time trinity won the championship. Personally, I feel the game has changed over the past 5 years or so. Nobody cheers at all anymore. Someone posted earlier that it has just become yelling at reffs and yelling when your team scores, and thats the truth. Games get boring when you take the crowd out of the whole experience. People need to grow up a little bit, and quit being offended when a opposing fan is obnoxious. I'm not saying fans should be able to be crude and profane, but I don't think we need to be kept on such tight of a leash.

[bigpoppakdog]

I'm impressed with the responses(mainly due to because I feel the same way.) Maybe this topic can be sent to the news media to do a story on this. I would like to have the record set straight on "home court advantage" for high school sports.

[tellmeaboutit]

Is there less cheering because many boys' teams no longer have cheerleaders to lead the crowd? I've never been a huge fan of the cheerleader, but maybe they were good for something after all.

[Stromer]

Is there less cheering because many boys' teams no longer have cheerleaders to lead the crowd? I've never been a huge fan of the cheerleader, but maybe they were good for something after all.

I think that could have a big part in it. At least the cheerleaders were laway amking noise, whether stupid or otherwise. I have never been one to get into the old "_HS" or the school color chant but thats what some parents, administration, and the NDHSAA want. At least it was background noise. Now when you depend on students to come up with cheers, they will not start generic ones like that becuase it is more fun to irritate the opposing players. I saw in in high school and I now see it in college as well. I think you can add in the lack of a band by some schools as also hurting the environment. It seems like the games have got a lot tamer since the seaosn have been switched.

[tellmeaboutit]

Is there less cheering because many boys' teams no longer have cheerleaders to lead the crowd? I've never been a huge fan of the cheerleader, but maybe they were good for something after all.

I think that could have a big part in it. At least the cheerleaders were laway amking noise, whether stupid or otherwise. I have never been one to get into the old "_HS" or the school color chant but thats what some parents, administration, and the NDHSAA want. At least it was background noise. Now when you depend on students to come up with cheers, they will not start generic ones like that becuase it is more fun to irritate the opposing players. I saw in in high school and I now see it in college as well. I think you can add in the lack of a band by some schools as also hurting the environment. It seems like the games have got a lot tamer since the seaosn have been switched.

Great point about the switching of seasons hurting the crowd noise. Do the boys and girls often play on the same nights, only in different locations? Also, if that isn't the case, is the team thats not playing (boys or girls), staying home to practice in their own gym, rather than traveling to support their teams?

[Claz B Fan]

I think girls playing on the same night in a different location is more of a Class A thing not Class B atleast I have never heard or seen it happen

[defensewins]

I would agree with pretty much all that has been said. I think "these days" the fans are more for yelling against the opposing team than they are actually cheering for their own team. There doesn't seem to be any praise or support for their own team but cheering against the other team seems to be the sport of it. I also agree that kids do get babied quite a bit. I guess when I played, if i would have gone home and said "dad im not starting tomorrow," rather than run to the phone to call the coach or whoever, he would tell me that I needed to work harder or work to be better, calling the coach was NOT an option !

[tellmeaboutit]

You're right. Most fans like to cheer against the other team more than they like to cheer for their own team. However, that isn't new to HS basketball. I was in HS in the late 80s early 90s and we were by no means angels. We read the newspaper while the other team was announced, wore our Dad's old horn rimmed glasses to make fun of the refs, sat on the bottom row at half court and yelled at opposing players, and often were reprimanded by our AD for unsportsmanlike chants. (Nuts and bolts, nuts and bolts we got screwed!) The only difference now a days is that it has gotten spiteful. It used to be all in good fun. Now we all need to be politically correct and worry about the child's inner self. Its a big joke. To tell you the truth, when I played I thrived on the taunting. I actually played better when being harassed.

[chevyman11]

And I found out this year that the "OOOOOOOOOOOOO" chant for when your team is on defense is unsportsmanlike. Whats up with that???

[project-pat]

I try to keep that renegade school spirit alive in Bowman...but I get threatened to be escorted out of every game!! I don't see what the big deal is...

[bigpoppakdog]

You're right. Most fans like to cheer against the other team more than they like to cheer for their own team. However, that isn't new to HS basketball. I was in HS in the late 80s early 90s and we were by no means angels. We read the newspaper while the other team was announced, wore our Dad's old horn rimmed glasses to make fun of the refs, sat on the bottom row at half court and yelled at opposing players, and often were reprimanded by our AD for unsportsmanlike chants. (Nuts and bolts, nuts and bolts we got screwed!) The only difference now a days is that it has gotten spiteful. It used to be all in good fun. Now we all need to be politically correct and worry about the child's inner self. Its a big joke. To tell you the truth, when I played I thrived on the taunting. I actually played better when being harassed.

When I was in HS(same years late 80's early 90's) we use to do the heartbeat noise(for our girls team who would have went to state had it not been for the beach buc machines) when other teams were shooting freethrows, we use to do the florida state seminole chant(don't tell me how that got started, because I'm not quite sure??), "start the bus raiders start the bus" or my favorite "don't feel grey, don't feel blue we beat your team in football too." The great thing about it was that there were no fights when cheers were exchanged. I don't know if that could happen anymore? I'm afraid if there would be parking lot brawls nowdays. Maybe I'm wrong, just wish some of that stuff was still around. Remember the t-shirts with the letters on it like an eye chart??? Those were great. The newspaper gag was great too. Those were the days!!