bigpoppakdog wrote:Alright its time for me to state my mind concerning a matter. It is NOT fair for schools who's town is 500-800 total populaton(with a large amount being senior citizens) to compete against schools named DICKINSON, MINOT, WILLISTON, BISMARCK, FARGO...don't even respond with enrollment blah blah blah, as anybody with 1/2 a brain cell will tell you that your chances of getting stud athletes are DRAMATICALLY higher in a LARGE CITY than a small town....parents can choose to send their kids to the private school without open enrollment guidelines...if you compete for a small town school you must live in that town or wait 180 days to compete for them if you do not live there..there are these schools that are on the A level that cannot compete anymore...move them down to class B and then you risk them dominating their region...people are saying society is getting week...well then why don't these schools go up to class A and use your same argument? Makes more sense to me to say why don't you compete with the level of athletes that are like yours instead of competing "down" a level? Talk about a week society!!! What, Dickinson cannot compete against Dickinson? Or Minot cannot compete against Minot? Well it looks to me that there is a need for another class....a class to address these schools located in cities of 20,000 to 50,000 people who feel proud to compete against schools in towns of 500 people. A few bloggers here who no doubt enjoy winning and want to have the luxury of winning...but compete on a level that is fair...when you talk about private vs public it WILL NEVER be fair because the rules and LAWS are different.
ndlionsfan wrote:bigpoppakdog wrote:Alright its time for me to state my mind concerning a matter. It is NOT fair for schools who's town is 500-800 total populaton(with a large amount being senior citizens) to compete against schools named DICKINSON, MINOT, WILLISTON, BISMARCK, FARGO...don't even respond with enrollment blah blah blah, as anybody with 1/2 a brain cell will tell you that your chances of getting stud athletes are DRAMATICALLY higher in a LARGE CITY than a small town....parents can choose to send their kids to the private school without open enrollment guidelines...if you compete for a small town school you must live in that town or wait 180 days to compete for them if you do not live there..there are these schools that are on the A level that cannot compete anymore...move them down to class B and then you risk them dominating their region...people are saying society is getting week...well then why don't these schools go up to class A and use your same argument? Makes more sense to me to say why don't you compete with the level of athletes that are like yours instead of competing "down" a level? Talk about a week society!!! What, Dickinson cannot compete against Dickinson? Or Minot cannot compete against Minot? Well it looks to me that there is a need for another class....a class to address these schools located in cities of 20,000 to 50,000 people who feel proud to compete against schools in towns of 500 people. A few bloggers here who no doubt enjoy winning and want to have the luxury of winning...but compete on a level that is fair...when you talk about private vs public it WILL NEVER be fair because the rules and LAWS are different.
You need to look up your NDHSAA rules a bit more.... Students now need to sit out a full year if they transfer without parents moving into the district. This same rule applies for private schools, too. They have the same open enrollment guidelines as every other school. If a kid from Minot High decides to transfer to Bishop Ryan, they have to sit out. They can't play right away.
ndlionsfan wrote:bigpoppakdog wrote:Alright its time for me to state my mind concerning a matter. It is NOT fair for schools who's town is 500-800 total populaton(with a large amount being senior citizens) to compete against schools named DICKINSON, MINOT, WILLISTON, BISMARCK, FARGO...don't even respond with enrollment blah blah blah, as anybody with 1/2 a brain cell will tell you that your chances of getting stud athletes are DRAMATICALLY higher in a LARGE CITY than a small town....parents can choose to send their kids to the private school without open enrollment guidelines...if you compete for a small town school you must live in that town or wait 180 days to compete for them if you do not live there..there are these schools that are on the A level that cannot compete anymore...move them down to class B and then you risk them dominating their region...people are saying society is getting week...well then why don't these schools go up to class A and use your same argument? Makes more sense to me to say why don't you compete with the level of athletes that are like yours instead of competing "down" a level? Talk about a week society!!! What, Dickinson cannot compete against Dickinson? Or Minot cannot compete against Minot? Well it looks to me that there is a need for another class....a class to address these schools located in cities of 20,000 to 50,000 people who feel proud to compete against schools in towns of 500 people. A few bloggers here who no doubt enjoy winning and want to have the luxury of winning...but compete on a level that is fair...when you talk about private vs public it WILL NEVER be fair because the rules and LAWS are different.
You need to look up your NDHSAA rules a bit more.... Students now need to sit out a full year if they transfer without parents moving into the district. This same rule applies for private schools, too. They have the same open enrollment guidelines as every other school. If a kid from Minot High decides to transfer to Bishop Ryan, they have to sit out. They can't play right away.
BBall dominator wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:bigpoppakdog wrote:Alright its time for me to state my mind concerning a matter. It is NOT fair for schools who's town is 500-800 total populaton(with a large amount being senior citizens) to compete against schools named DICKINSON, MINOT, WILLISTON, BISMARCK, FARGO...don't even respond with enrollment blah blah blah, as anybody with 1/2 a brain cell will tell you that your chances of getting stud athletes are DRAMATICALLY higher in a LARGE CITY than a small town....parents can choose to send their kids to the private school without open enrollment guidelines...if you compete for a small town school you must live in that town or wait 180 days to compete for them if you do not live there..there are these schools that are on the A level that cannot compete anymore...move them down to class B and then you risk them dominating their region...people are saying society is getting week...well then why don't these schools go up to class A and use your same argument? Makes more sense to me to say why don't you compete with the level of athletes that are like yours instead of competing "down" a level? Talk about a week society!!! What, Dickinson cannot compete against Dickinson? Or Minot cannot compete against Minot? Well it looks to me that there is a need for another class....a class to address these schools located in cities of 20,000 to 50,000 people who feel proud to compete against schools in towns of 500 people. A few bloggers here who no doubt enjoy winning and want to have the luxury of winning...but compete on a level that is fair...when you talk about private vs public it WILL NEVER be fair because the rules and LAWS are different.
You need to look up your NDHSAA rules a bit more.... Students now need to sit out a full year if they transfer without parents moving into the district. This same rule applies for private schools, too. They have the same open enrollment guidelines as every other school. If a kid from Minot High decides to transfer to Bishop Ryan, they have to sit out. They can't play right away.
Please come on here w/ a better argument than that...If the private schools went undefeated and won every year I might listen to you a little better. Its always the people who lose to them who want them moved up. Just about everyone one of the laws pretaining to atheletics are the same because they have to be part of the NDHSAA. Moving the private schools up will not make the B any better. Its mainly because they have a tradition of winning why people argue to move them up. I rarely hear people whine about our redeemers because they don't win as often. Private schools probably have the same transfer rate as any other average Class B HS. When I went we had roughly 9 students transfer in and only 2 played sports.
Dr. Sports wrote:The reason teams are having such large co-ops is because their having trouble competing against schools such as Dickinson Trinity, Minot Ryan, and Fargo Oak Grove for example. These schools would be in the middle of the 3 class system. As for a 4 region Class A it wouldn't work because that defeats the purpose of saving teams like St.Mary's, Belcourt, and Valley City from large schools like Minot, Bismarck, and Fargo South. Beulah, Hazen, and Rugby wouldn't survive at the next level. Beulah's program was relieved that it was able to step back down to Class B a few years ago. Bottom line only a three class system would be the answer.
bigpoppakdog wrote:BBall dominator wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:bigpoppakdog wrote:Alright its time for me to state my mind concerning a matter. It is NOT fair for schools who's town is 500-800 total populaton(with a large amount being senior citizens) to compete against schools named DICKINSON, MINOT, WILLISTON, BISMARCK, FARGO...don't even respond with enrollment blah blah blah, as anybody with 1/2 a brain cell will tell you that your chances of getting stud athletes are DRAMATICALLY higher in a LARGE CITY than a small town....parents can choose to send their kids to the private school without open enrollment guidelines...if you compete for a small town school you must live in that town or wait 180 days to compete for them if you do not live there..there are these schools that are on the A level that cannot compete anymore...move them down to class B and then you risk them dominating their region...people are saying society is getting week...well then why don't these schools go up to class A and use your same argument? Makes more sense to me to say why don't you compete with the level of athletes that are like yours instead of competing "down" a level? Talk about a week society!!! What, Dickinson cannot compete against Dickinson? Or Minot cannot compete against Minot? Well it looks to me that there is a need for another class....a class to address these schools located in cities of 20,000 to 50,000 people who feel proud to compete against schools in towns of 500 people. A few bloggers here who no doubt enjoy winning and want to have the luxury of winning...but compete on a level that is fair...when you talk about private vs public it WILL NEVER be fair because the rules and LAWS are different.
You need to look up your NDHSAA rules a bit more.... Students now need to sit out a full year if they transfer without parents moving into the district. This same rule applies for private schools, too. They have the same open enrollment guidelines as every other school. If a kid from Minot High decides to transfer to Bishop Ryan, they have to sit out. They can't play right away.
Please come on here w/ a better argument than that...If the private schools went undefeated and won every year I might listen to you a little better. Its always the people who lose to them who want them moved up. Just about everyone one of the laws pretaining to atheletics are the same because they have to be part of the NDHSAA. Moving the private schools up will not make the B any better. Its mainly because they have a tradition of winning why people argue to move them up. I rarely hear people whine about our redeemers because they don't win as often. Private schools probably have the same transfer rate as any other average Class B HS. When I went we had roughly 9 students transfer in and only 2 played sports.
your telling me that Bismarck Shiloh, and Dickinson Trinity hasn't WON enough????
bigpoppakdog wrote:BBall dominator wrote:ndlionsfan wrote:bigpoppakdog wrote:Alright its time for me to state my mind concerning a matter. It is NOT fair for schools who's town is 500-800 total populaton(with a large amount being senior citizens) to compete against schools named DICKINSON, MINOT, WILLISTON, BISMARCK, FARGO...don't even respond with enrollment blah blah blah, as anybody with 1/2 a brain cell will tell you that your chances of getting stud athletes are DRAMATICALLY higher in a LARGE CITY than a small town....parents can choose to send their kids to the private school without open enrollment guidelines...if you compete for a small town school you must live in that town or wait 180 days to compete for them if you do not live there..there are these schools that are on the A level that cannot compete anymore...move them down to class B and then you risk them dominating their region...people are saying society is getting week...well then why don't these schools go up to class A and use your same argument? Makes more sense to me to say why don't you compete with the level of athletes that are like yours instead of competing "down" a level? Talk about a week society!!! What, Dickinson cannot compete against Dickinson? Or Minot cannot compete against Minot? Well it looks to me that there is a need for another class....a class to address these schools located in cities of 20,000 to 50,000 people who feel proud to compete against schools in towns of 500 people. A few bloggers here who no doubt enjoy winning and want to have the luxury of winning...but compete on a level that is fair...when you talk about private vs public it WILL NEVER be fair because the rules and LAWS are different.
You need to look up your NDHSAA rules a bit more.... Students now need to sit out a full year if they transfer without parents moving into the district. This same rule applies for private schools, too. They have the same open enrollment guidelines as every other school. If a kid from Minot High decides to transfer to Bishop Ryan, they have to sit out. They can't play right away.
Please come on here w/ a better argument than that...If the private schools went undefeated and won every year I might listen to you a little better. Its always the people who lose to them who want them moved up. Just about everyone one of the laws pretaining to atheletics are the same because they have to be part of the NDHSAA. Moving the private schools up will not make the B any better. Its mainly because they have a tradition of winning why people argue to move them up. I rarely hear people whine about our redeemers because they don't win as often. Private schools probably have the same transfer rate as any other average Class B HS. When I went we had roughly 9 students transfer in and only 2 played sports.
your telling me that Bismarck Shiloh, and Dickinson Trinity hasn't WON enough????
ndlionsfan wrote:[quote=All a 3 class system does is give some instant gratification to people who think A.-their team should go to state every other year or B.-to keep "good" programs from dominating. What happens to the mystique of David and Goliath? Where's the romance and excitement of an Epping vs. Hillsboro? What will it mean for teams to go to state class C? Everything is just a little more watered down and a liitle less meaningful. No, your team may not go to the state class B,ever, but what if it did? What if for one moment those kids that nobody thought ever had a chance to run with the big boys made it?
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I agree JDTC....I played for Leeds back in the late 90's....graduated in 98. As a town, we were spoiled with 6 trips to state in that decade. People began to expect us going to state rather than realizing how lucky we were to make it that often. We haven't been back to state since 99 (when they won it all). Had many good teams and were always a contender in the region. I think 3 region runnersup and 2 more 3rd places in the last 8 years. Out of the last 8 years, 5 of the champions would probably have been in the middle class of a 3 class system. That means if we would have been in a C division, we could have had 5 more trips to state probably. I don't think that would make it special. When we were making it to state we were the smallest team (based on enrollment) in the tourney each year. People still talk about how we beat MayPort in the semis in 98, even tho we lost the championship. That's your David vs Goliath kind of situation. People never forget it and always want to talk about it. In 99, they beat Trinity in the title. People don't really talk about winning the title, just the fact that they knocked off a heavily favored and much larger Trinity. That's what makes the B special. Its that once in a lifetime type of feeling for most teams and towns. I would actually want to have a one class system and have every school competing for the title before I would 3 class where the schools have the built good programs will still go to state almost every year, doesn't matter what class they are in.
Sioux wrote:Dr. Sports wrote:The reason teams are having such large co-ops is because their having trouble competing against schools such as Dickinson Trinity, Minot Ryan, and Fargo Oak Grove for example. These schools would be in the middle of the 3 class system. As for a 4 region Class A it wouldn't work because that defeats the purpose of saving teams like St.Mary's, Belcourt, and Valley City from large schools like Minot, Bismarck, and Fargo South. Beulah, Hazen, and Rugby wouldn't survive at the next level. Beulah's program was relieved that it was able to step back down to Class B a few years ago. Bottom line only a three class system would be the answer.
COOP's are not established to compete against the best they are put together because of quanity not quality of players..Three Class System is a JOKE!!! Maybe if kids would be like Jeff Boschee and put in the time he did they would be better..Players like Boschee wanted to compete at high level and become one of the best if more kids would do that their schools would be able to compete. Should we give everybody a chance to play in the state tournament without really having to earn it. What ever happened to having kids learn about how hard work can pay off. People get tired of seeing the same teams in the state tourney, so what!! Beat them and when teams do beat them it is that much more exciting. The three class system is not the answer..If VC and Belcourt are complaining maybe just move VC and Belcourt Down..Last I heard is that St. Mary's chooses to be class A. Every year 8 teams get to go to the state tourney I am not sure and would have to do some research but I would say that at least 25 different schools have gone to the state tournament and that includes Dickinson Trinity 5 times, Minot Ryan 3 or 4 times. So if 25 (my guess) out of the 122 teams make it to the state tourney every 5 years I feel that is a good number. It creates competion and desire for teams that are regulars and teams that would like to be them..LEAVE IT ALONE..If they are going to try to increase the chances of a team to make it to the state tourney go with 16 teams with the first round losers going home..This way the Region 1st and 2nd place teams have a chance..That would be fun because many times a 2nd place team in the region can compete with the whole field and would win it every once in awhile..
scruffy wrote:Dr.sports, Trinity is the third or fourth largest school in their district!! If we would ever go to a three class system the Titans would be in class "C" (based on our enrollment projections for 2008/2009). Currently in football where we compete in "AA", we are by far the smallest school in the class but have managed to compete quite well.
Dr. Sports wrote:Sioux wrote:Dr. Sports wrote:The reason teams are having such large co-ops is because their having trouble competing against schools such as Dickinson Trinity, Minot Ryan, and Fargo Oak Grove for example. These schools would be in the middle of the 3 class system. As for a 4 region Class A it wouldn't work because that defeats the purpose of saving teams like St.Mary's, Belcourt, and Valley City from large schools like Minot, Bismarck, and Fargo South. Beulah, Hazen, and Rugby wouldn't survive at the next level. Beulah's program was relieved that it was able to step back down to Class B a few years ago. Bottom line only a three class system would be the answer.
COOP's are not established to compete against the best they are put together because of quanity not quality of players..Three Class System is a JOKE!!! Maybe if kids would be like Jeff Boschee and put in the time he did they would be better..Players like Boschee wanted to compete at high level and become one of the best if more kids would do that their schools would be able to compete. Should we give everybody a chance to play in the state tournament without really having to earn it. What ever happened to having kids learn about how hard work can pay off. People get tired of seeing the same teams in the state tourney, so what!! Beat them and when teams do beat them it is that much more exciting. The three class system is not the answer..If VC and Belcourt are complaining maybe just move VC and Belcourt Down..Last I heard is that St. Mary's chooses to be class A. Every year 8 teams get to go to the state tourney I am not sure and would have to do some research but I would say that at least 25 different schools have gone to the state tournament and that includes Dickinson Trinity 5 times, Minot Ryan 3 or 4 times. So if 25 (my guess) out of the 122 teams make it to the state tourney every 5 years I feel that is a good number. It creates competion and desire for teams that are regulars and teams that would like to be them..LEAVE IT ALONE..If they are going to try to increase the chances of a team to make it to the state tourney go with 16 teams with the first round losers going home..This way the Region 1st and 2nd place teams have a chance..That would be fun because many times a 2nd place team in the region can compete with the whole field and would win it every once in awhile..
The only joke on both quotes is YOOUU.. Nobody said VC or Belcourt were complaining, nobody as far as I know is from those schools are qouting. The truth is SIZE does matter despite your misbelief that SOLELY hard work will get you there does not over come the natural talent you have at your disposal at a large school. Bismarck is Not gonna take Odessa Permia Texas(yeah there would be complianing then) Maddock is not gonna take Minot on it's best day. The biggest complainers are the ones who depend on the SMALLER schools for easy scheduling. Every state has more that 2 classes and if you truly feel that way then abolish B and go to A and put your money where yur mouth is. Get with the program NORTH DAKOTA THAT IS WHY YOUR A DYING STATE.
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