ND HS Sports Classification System - who disagrees?

[loveclassB BB]

I'd like to open a discussion about the fact that ND BB (and VB for that matter) only has 2 classifications for HS sports.  Is it fair that a school with an enrollment of say, 60 , has to compete with schools as big as Beulah?  How about the fact private schools in Bismarck, Minot, Dickinson, etc. sneak in under the "Class B" umbrella as well??? Recruiting within these class b schools (that reside in class A cities) is a well known practice but it's almost impossible to enforce "no recruiting" in schools that fit this mold. At least much more difficult to control in larger private schools then in smaller schools.  That said, I know there are plenty of very, very, small schools that consistantly compete well and often beat schools up to 4x their enrollment and this is a good argument for the system staying as is with 2 classes.  I'd just like to stimulate a good discussion...thanks!

[Baller]

If this turns into a Private school recruiting forum...it will be closed ...People don't want a three class system...

[point/center]

I'd like to open a discussion about the fact that ND BB (and VB for that matter) only has 2 classifications for HS sports.  Is it fair that a school with an enrollment of say, 60 , has to compete with schools as big as Beulah?  How about the fact private schools in Bismarck, Minot, Dickinson, etc. sneak in under the "Class B" umbrella as well??? Recruiting within these class b schools (that reside in class A cities) is a well known practice but it's almost impossible to enforce "no recruiting" in schools that fit this mold. At least much more difficult to control in larger private schools then in smaller schools.  That said, I know there are plenty of very, very, small schools that consistantly compete well and often beat schools up to 4x their enrollment and this is a good argument for the system staying as is with 2 classes.  I'd just like to stimulate a good discussion...thanks!

i vote for a one class system. David vs Goliath. winner take's it all.

[NDSportsFan]

There are enough problems associated with it to keep it from ever happening.  Mainly money and travel time.

Personally, I like to preserve the rivalries and it's sad when co-ops have to dissolve them.

[scruffy]

I'd vote for seven or eight classes.  That would stop a lot of whining......

[point/center]

maybe at the beginningof the year give every team a trophy and call them the winners...games mean nothing.....

[loveclassB BB]

If this turns into a Private school recruiting forum...it will be closed ...People don't want a three class system...

I'm confused by the term "recruiting forum", Baller.  Don't misunderstand...it was just a point to support a statement...NOT the topic I wanted to have discussed.  Coming to ND from a state with 5 different classifications (which had it's problems too), I don't (yet)I have an opinion one way or the other and just wanted some feedback.  Hope I'm not out of line here.

[baseball]

If this turns into a Private school recruiting forum...it will be closed ...People don't want a three class system...

I'm confused by the term "recruiting forum", Baller.  Don't misunderstand...it was just a point to support a statement...NOT the topic I wanted to have discussed.  Coming to ND from a state with 5 different classifications (which had it's problems too), I don't (yet)I have an opinion one way or the other and just wanted some feedback.  Hope I'm not out of line here.

your name is loveclass B so you must have an opinion. how would u feel if they took class B and split it town the middle with the lower enrollment being a class C.  just curious, but when did you move to North Dakota and did you attend the State B this year?  if you divide the state into 3 classes you take the single greatest sports weekend out of North Dakota.

[bbjay]

I propose that all new people should have to go to a special forum to discuss recruiting until they get it out of their systems...only then, will they be allowed to come and post with all the people who are sick of talking about that subject.

[ndfan]

[user=256]bbjay[/user] wrote:

I propose that all new people should have to go to a special forum to discuss recruiting until they get it out of their systems...only then, will they be allowed to come and post with all the people who are sick of talking about that subject.

Theres a 21 page discussion on recruiting in hot topics all new people should have read that whole thing before they can post haha :). I love point centers idea just have one class system winner takes all :)

[finfam06]

I would like to see a one class system where winner takes all. I do not agree with the three class system cause of the little schools wanting to go to state! Some class "b" school are able to compete with class "a" and vise versa! Why mess with a good thing!!!!!

[baseball]

id would much rather see a one class system then a 3 class.  look at how big the B is every year, just think how it would be if a team like Parshall were making a run at the title in a 1 class system

[ndlionsfan]

Now the class A people are going to get on here and talk about how class B teams could never compete with class A.  Bullcrap...I know the class A teams would be consistently better but there would be a number of class B schools that would compete and be very successful each year.  There just wouldn't be a class B school that would dominate for 3-4 years in a row like some do now. 

[project-pat]

keep the 2 class system, work harder, stop whining, let's move on....

[BBall dominator]

Class B is perfect the way it is with the exception of maybe needing a shot clock.

[bballfan_05]

keep the 2 class system, work harder, stop whining, let's move on....

Agreed.

[Nodak Guy]

If you are from small town ND, you know that it's hard enough to find help for the games.  Having to find a competent operator for the shot clock would be tough.  Plus, when most small schools are already cutting things to make the budget work, getting a couple grand to purchase a couple of shot clocks would be a challenge.  Who agrees and/or disagrees?

[homer]

i totally agree

[bballfan_05]

If you are from small town ND, you know that it's hard enough to find help for the games.  Having to find a competent operator for the shot clock would be tough.  Plus, when most small schools are already cutting things to make the budget work, getting a couple grand to purchase a couple of shot clocks would be a challenge.  Who agrees and/or disagrees?

I agree with the fact that it would be hard for the really small schools to be able to afford the price of a shot clock, then paying someone to run it. However, I think the addition of the shot clock would greatly improve Class B basketball in the fact that it would force stop some teams from stalling the last few minutes of the game.  

[Nodak Guy]

But stalling is part of the strategy.  As Herm Edwards once said "you play to win the game."

[bballfan_05]

But stalling is part of the strategy.  As Herm Edwards once said "you play to win the game."

True, it would just make the really close games more interesting imo. Instead of controlling the ball for minutes at a time, it forces one to make good decisions, and take good quality shots.

[Run With It]

keep the 2 class system, work harder, stop whining, let's move on....

Agreed.

i also agree.
but most class b schools probably can't afford that.

[project-pat]

keep the 2 class system, work harder, stop whining, let's move on....

Agreed.

i also agree.
but most class b schools probably can't afford that.

You don't need to afford anything, just get a group of kids that are willing to work hard and work together, that's free.

[magic715]

Class B is perfect the way it is with the exception of maybe needing a shot clock.

Well i did discuss the 3 Class subject at one time, and will give my idea of what would work and could be done. You take the biggest 32 Class B schools and put in Regions, then the rest would be smaller class B of 4 regions, you have the 4 Champs from Big Class B in top Bracket at State, and the 4 champs from small class B in the lower Bracket and play out the state tourny with the Big class B teams playing the Small class b teams on the final day, guarantee David vs Goliath every yr, that would be exciting, also guarantee 4 bigs schools and 4 small schools. But i think it averages out to about 5-3 to 4-4 , on big to small schools now, so i dont think it is a big deal. But i think this would appease the small school people who complain.

[ndlionsfan]

Class B is perfect the way it is with the exception of maybe needing a shot clock.

Well i did discuss the 3 Class subject at one time, and will give my idea of what would work and could be done. You take the biggest 32 Class B schools and put in Regions, then the rest would be smaller class B of 4 regions, you have the 4 Champs from Big Class B in top Bracket at State, and the 4 champs from small class B in the lower Bracket and play out the state tourny with the Big class B teams playing the Small class b teams on the final day, guarantee David vs Goliath every yr, that would be exciting, also guarantee 4 bigs schools and 4 small schools. But i think it averages out to about 5-3 to 4-4 , on big to small schools now, so i dont think it is a big deal. But i think this would appease the small school people who complain.

You know, that's not a half bad idea.  I think it would make for an interesting state tourney.