Are Athletes Born Or Made??

[klg_11]

Hopefully this isn't getting to off track but was Babe Ruth born an athlete or did he make himself a athlete?? Considered one of the greatest baseball players of all time, and I don't think drinking beer and smoking help make an athlete. Thoughts?

o crap they dont, thats what ive been doing wrong all these years!!! no but obviously he must have had some in born athletic ability

[north_border_eagles2106]

But if your not born with athletic ability you cant train as hard as others that were born with athleticism

 

How are you unable to train as hard as those that were born with athleticism?  Maybe because you're not able to do the same things at the same level as them it's harder for you but that makes you train harder then the class "natural athlete".  Some people are born and as soon as they do anything they are just instantly good at it and some are born and they have to practice over and over again to be comfortable doing it.  The difference is the ones that have to work for it are usually the ones that are most succussful because they know how hard they've worked to get everything they have and will stop at nothing to be successful.  The "natural athletes" are more often the types that will relax and depend on their athleticism to take them where they need to be. 

Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Doesn't Work Hard!

[cdub1]

But if your not born with athletic ability you cant train as hard as others that were born with athleticism

 

How are you unable to train as hard as those that were born with athleticism?  Maybe because you're not able to do the same things at the same level as them it's harder for you but that makes you train harder then the class "natural athlete".  Some people are born and as soon as they do anything they are just instantly good at it and some are born and they have to practice over and over again to be comfortable doing it.  The difference is the ones that have to work for it are usually the ones that are most succussful because they know how hard they've worked to get everything they have and will stop at nothing to be successful.  The "natural athletes" are more often the types that will relax and depend on their athleticism to take them where they need to be. 

Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Doesn't Work Hard!

hard work beats talent that doesnt work hard but it cant stand up to a talented hard worker kinda unfair but thats life

[north_border_eagles2106]

I have to agree with you there cdub it's just too bad that more of the people born with talent don't work hard.  A great example of a talented hard worker would be someone like michael jordan.

[grizz]

hard work beats talent that doesnt work hard but it cant stand up to a talented hard worker kinda unfair but thats life

Thats so true..... thanks for the new myspace quote. haha

[baller01]

I like to think of it like this, there are two types of athletes. The born athlete, and the trained athlete.

An example of a born athlete that put in the work would be Michael Jordan.

An example of a trained athlete would be Rudy Ruttiger from the movie Rudy. He didn't have any athleticism at all but still trained himself to be able to play at Notre Dame. There are players with all kinds of athleticism that will never get to do that because Rudy's desire was unmatched.

[north_border_eagles2106]

I like to think of it like this, there are two types of athletes. The born athlete, and the trained athlete.

An example of a born athlete that put in the work would be Michael Jordan.

An example of a trained athlete would be Rudy Ruttiger from the movie Rudy. He didn't have any athleticism at all but still trained himself to be able to play at Notre Dame. There are players with all kinds of athleticism that will never get to do that because Rudy's desire was unmatched.

amen

[always a sports season]

I like to think of it like this, there are two types of athletes. The born athlete, and the trained athlete.

An example of a born athlete that put in the work would be Michael Jordan.

An example of a trained athlete would be Rudy Ruttiger from the movie Rudy. He didn't have any athleticism at all but still trained himself to be able to play at Notre Dame. There are players with all kinds of athleticism that will never get to do that because Rudy's desire was unmatched.

amen

Yes, but was all that he went through worth it to only play 2 plays of a game?  And he wouldn't have gotten that if it wasn't for his teammates?

[grizz]

Yeah the only reason they let Rudy play is because they knew how much heart he had and how much he wanted to play. It was more of a pitty-play, not saying he didnt earn it tho.

[always a sports season]

You're right he had earned it but without the players and the crowd (if that's really how it happened) the coaches would never have put him in.  He was only a grunt to them.

[rep]

i always thought that rudy, the real rudy i mean, had a bit more athletic talent than the movie portrayed. thought i either heard or read an interview from the guy and he said while he was no all-american, the movie took a little bit of a reach for how athletic he wasn't.

[baseball]

I like to think of it like this, there are two types of athletes. The born athlete, and the trained athlete.

An example of a born athlete that put in the work would be Michael Jordan.

An example of a trained athlete would be Rudy Ruttiger from the movie Rudy. He didn't have any athleticism at all but still trained himself to be able to play at Notre Dame. There are players with all kinds of athleticism that will never get to do that because Rudy's desire was unmatched.

amen

Yes, but was all that he went through worth it to only play 2 plays of a game?  And he wouldn't have gotten that if it wasn't for his teammates?

throughout the whole movie he says all he wants to do is play for Notre Dame, so i guess to him all the work he put into it was enough for him to be happy

[Roughrider]

There is a big difference between a natural born athlete and a made athlete. You can make an athlete over time who can be very good but he wont be anything like a natural born athlete. A natural born athlete has that gut instinct in him or her that drives them through their sport. they understand the game really well without being taught much. they are very smart with their decisions. a made athlete can do some of those things too but not to the extent that a natural born athlete can

[baller01]

I like to think of it like this, there are two types of athletes. The born athlete, and the trained athlete.

An example of a born athlete that put in the work would be Michael Jordan.

An example of a trained athlete would be Rudy Ruttiger from the movie Rudy. He didn't have any athleticism at all but still trained himself to be able to play at Notre Dame. There are players with all kinds of athleticism that will never get to do that because Rudy's desire was unmatched.

amen

Yes, but was all that he went through worth it to only play 2 plays of a game?  And he wouldn't have gotten that if it wasn't for his teammates?

Can any one on this site say they have played football for Notre Dame? And it's not all about just getting to play. Look at how much his teammates respected him towards the end of the movie. At the beginning they didn't respect him at all, by the end, they were willing to give up there positions for him.

[grizz]

I guess some peoples personalities you just can't help but love.

[Indians Alumni]

I like to think of it like this, there are two types of athletes. The born athlete, and the trained athlete.

An example of a born athlete that put in the work would be Michael Jordan.

An example of a trained athlete would be Rudy Ruttiger from the movie Rudy. He didn't have any athleticism at all but still trained himself to be able to play at Notre Dame. There are players with all kinds of athleticism that will never get to do that because Rudy's desire was unmatched.

amen

Yes, but was all that he went through worth it to only play 2 plays of a game?  And he wouldn't have gotten that if it wasn't for his teammates?

Can any one on this site say they have played football for Notre Dame? And it's not all about just getting to play. Look at how much his teammates respected him towards the end of the movie. At the beginning they didn't respect him at all, by the end, they were willing to give up there positions for him.

This is a forum about if a person is born an athlete or if they are groomed?  I do agree "Rudy" is a good story, but he was not a groomed athlete, he was inspiration for the others.  He showed what determination can do, not that he was the greatest athlete on the field!!!

I would say, take a look at Jim Thorpe, he was just a natural athlete, he started very young! He excelled at what ever he did!  I think it all relies on the person.  He never settled for mediocre, he wanted excellence.  Or take a look at Billy Mills, he started off running for run as a kid.  Or what about Steve Nash, he has no height, he doesn't look athletic, but he is probably one of the top guards if not the top guard in the NBA.  It all comes down to the person and the determination if they are going to be a great sportsman or not!

[cdub1]

I like to think of it like this, there are two types of athletes. The born athlete, and the trained athlete.

An example of a born athlete that put in the work would be Michael Jordan.

An example of a trained athlete would be Rudy Ruttiger from the movie Rudy. He didn't have any athleticism at all but still trained himself to be able to play at Notre Dame. There are players with all kinds of athleticism that will never get to do that because Rudy's desire was unmatched.

amen

Yes, but was all that he went through worth it to only play 2 plays of a game?  And he wouldn't have gotten that if it wasn't for his teammates?

Can any one on this site say they have played football for Notre Dame? And it's not all about just getting to play. Look at how much his teammates respected him towards the end of the movie. At the beginning they didn't respect him at all, by the end, they were willing to give up there positions for him.

This is a forum about if a person is born an athlete or if they are groomed?  I do agree "Rudy" is a good story, but he was not a groomed athlete, he was inspiration for the others.  He showed what determination can do, not that he was the greatest athlete on the field!!!

I would say, take a look at Jim Thorpe, he was just a natural athlete, he started very young! He excelled at what ever he did!  I think it all relies on the person.  He never settled for mediocre, he wanted excellence.  Or take a look at Billy Mills, he started off running for run as a kid.  Or what about Steve Nash, he has no height, he doesn't look athletic, but he is probably one of the top guards if not the top guard in the NBA.  It all comes down to the person and the determination if they are going to be a great sportsman or not!

steve nash isnt athletic though he just has great fundamentals that is what hard work gets you i would be suprised is nash could dunk

[grizz]

Steve Nash is a pretty athletic guy, but his fundamentals make him who he his. I dont know if theres another guy in the NBA who is more fundamentally sound than Nash.

[baseball]

i saw something on ESPN that Jackie Robinson stared in 4 sports while at USC.....i woudl call that natural

[Indians Alumni]

i saw something on ESPN that Jackie Robinson stared in 4 sports while at USC.....i woudl call that natural

I would have to agree, another would be Jim Thorpe, Jesse Owens, Bo Jackson, Dieon Sanders.  I am sure genetics played a roll, just like height and body shape. 

My point about Steve Nash is, that he isn't very athletic, he was not given the tools genetically, he worked his butt off for what he gets and has gotten.  What about guys like Shaquille O'Neal, You throw in the freaks of nature and that throws the whole thing off. So I think it is both that makes the better athlete.  It takes natural ability and hard work or determination

[grizz]

I think being around other great athletes definately makes you a better athlete. I know a kid who went to Trinty for some years, and he was an ok sprinter. He transfered to DHS and he became one of the top dog sprinters. Im thinkin that all the competition between themselves in practice made him a stronger athlete. 

[Tu-Big]

i saw something on ESPN that Jackie Robinson stared in 4 sports while at USC.....i woudl call that natural

I would have to agree, another would be Jim Thorpe, Jesse Owens, Bo Jackson, Dieon Sanders.  I am sure genetics played a roll, just like height and body shape. 

My point about Steve Nash is, that he isn't very athletic, he was not given the tools genetically, he worked his butt off for what he gets and has gotten.  What about guys like Shaquille O'Neal, You throw in the freaks of nature and that throws the whole thing off. So I think it is both that makes the better athlete.  It takes natural ability and hard work or determination

Ill agree that he worked his butt off, but ill disagree about him not being athletic. The things that that man can do with a ball are incredible and noone on this planet can play like he does. Another thing is that he played soccer all his life and said once that he probably could have been as good at soccer as basketball, he just enjoyed basketball more. Guys like that have to be considered athletic, i think its rediculous to call him non-athletic. Coordination plays a factor into athleticism and id take a guy who can do the things that he does rather than some guy with a 45 inch verticle, a 4. 3 forty, can dunk but cant do anything else. Another thing id take before athleticism is smarts, which steve nash also has over everybody, some people are born smart, some arent. Maybe nash wasnt born with a body capable of a 45 inch verticle, but half the guys on the Suns werent born with the same type of thinking that he has or the ability to handle the ball like nash, and i can guarantee you that even if they had put as much time into ball handling as nash growing up, they still wouldnt be better than him just because he has the god given coordination to do what he does. i guess the main point im going for is coordination should be looked at more than athleticism, and people considered non-athletic most of the time have incredible hand-eye coordination.

[nativegolfer]

i saw something on ESPN that Jackie Robinson stared in 4 sports while at USC.....i woudl call that natural

I would have to agree, another would be Jim Thorpe, Jesse Owens, Bo Jackson, Dieon Sanders.  I am sure genetics played a roll, just like height and body shape. 

My point about Steve Nash is, that he isn't very athletic, he was not given the tools genetically, he worked his butt off for what he gets and has gotten.  What about guys like Shaquille O'Neal, You throw in the freaks of nature and that throws the whole thing off. So I think it is both that makes the better athlete.  It takes natural ability and hard work or determination

Actually he attended UCLA.