PlayHard-KHCO wrote:neeeevermind. Lamoure-LM just made the argument here completely invalid. The ridiculous attempt to say a team 'deserves' to be somewhere holds no water. Changing an entire tournament makeup wont change the fact that any team can win on any day -if they score more points, they win.<----- those last 7words- no ifs or buts , thats the only certainty in tournament play.
Shawn wrote:But North Star, Four Winds, Beulah, and Trinity should be the four teams in the state semifinals and only two will make the tournament.
Don't you love how "hypothetical" people are when it comes to basketball? It's like nobody needs to play any games because they are already "the best." I just laugh every time somebody stakes claim on who deserves to be the winner without having to prove it.
Both of the above quote were made today... Since you apparently want me to keep making the same point I won't even apologize for the length of this post... I made all of my quotes below in this same thread BEFORE the tournament started... Proof that rather than debate this topic by the points, people prefer to put words in my mouth and act like my reason for discontent with the current system is different than it actually is.
NDplayin wrote:As for the rest of it, welcome to sports. When you don't show up for a game and lay an egg you have yourself to blame. That is very different than being excluded from even the opportunity by the system.
NDplayin wrote:This has nothing to do with a Cinderella situation. I love Cinderella's in sports. The point is, when Cinderella wins- the ugly step sister has no one to blame but herself.
When a top 4 team beats a a top 4 team that isn't a Cinderella. And when two top 4s can exclude each other from being a top 8- that's fault of the system- not the team.
NDplayin wrote:I never EVER said the "top tier" teams are the only ones that deserve to make state. Never!
I've also repeatedly said that I love when top tier teams get beat by Cinderellas- that's one of the great things about sports.
I've never said I only want the top tier teams in the tournament.
NDplayin wrote:Again- when a "non top tier" team upsets a "top tier" team that's called a Cinderella and I love it.
When two "top tier" teams are preventing each other from the top tier tournament while two "not top tier" teams are playing for the right to go to the top tier tournament- that's a flaw of the system
NDplayin wrote: If one of the three remaining teams gets beat I'll call it a Cinderella and consider it one of the great things about sports. Either way I can tell you this, I still wish we had a system that would have made it possible to have all 5 of those teams in the tournament, and if one of them would have lost to a Cinderella I would have considered it their fault- not the systems
NDplayin wrote:None of the teams on that list are a "Slouch" and on the right night anything can happen.
NDplayin wrote:None of the teams on that list are a "Slouch" and on the right night anything can happen.What I have said is that I'd prefer a system where there's the OPPORTUNITY for all top tier teams to go and what they do with that opportunity is up to them.
NDplayin wrote:That doesn't mean that one of them can't get upset by a Cinderella, it just means that there is the opportunity that they could continue to the top level of the tourney before they start eliminating each other. What they do with that opportunity (win or lose) is up to them
NDplayin wrote:Here's something I'm still try to get you to understand about me and this plan. I'm not supporting this plan because I want all the teams who've proven themselves the most in the regular season to automatically go and that wouldn't happen in this plan. I'm not supporting this system because I don't like upsets; I love upsets in fact and they would still happen in this plan. What I want is for upsets to be the reason those top tier teams don't go rather than the fault of the system.
For the ten thousandth time, the problem I have with the system has nothing to do with any of the teams in the system; it has everything to do with the system by which some of those teams qualified for the tournament.
LaMoure's and Trenton's wins so far this tournament are exactly what makes high school sports great. You find me a quote of mine where I ever said anything contrary to that.
The 4 region idea doesn't prevent anything that has happened so far in this tournament from happening- All it does is open up the OPPORTUNITY for some even more exciting things to happen. I'm even more in favor of the idea after today than I was before.
Again, please disagree with me all you want- that's great. However, when you debate me how about you actually debate the systems and not put words in my mouth when my actual words (see above) were completely the opposite.