bballuvr wrote:I don't know much about other states and how pairings are determined. I do know that there are some that are seeded. The 4 teams you mentioned are certainly 4 of the best, maybe the best 4.
NDplayin wrote:In a nut shell:
1. Keep 16 districts, but redistrict to balance the number of teams.
2. Take 2 teams out of each of the districts instead of 4
3. Reduce the number of regions to 4 instead of 8
4. 2 teams from each of the regions goes to the state tournament instead of 1
Ditka, you're partially right... there's no perfect system that works 100% of the time. But the current system fails too greatly too often. The 4 region system doesn't guarantee that there won't be years where 3 of the top 4 teams would be in the same region, but the odds are way smaller and the frequency much less often.
NDplayin wrote:In a nut shell:
1. Keep 16 districts, but redistrict to balance the number of teams.
2. Take 2 teams out of each of the districts instead of 4
3. Reduce the number of regions to 4 instead of 8
4. 2 teams from each of the regions goes to the state tournament instead of 1
Ditka, you're partially right... there's no perfect system that works 100% of the time. But the current system fails too greatly too often. The 4 region system doesn't guarantee that there won't be years where 3 of the top 4 teams would be in the same region, but the odds are way smaller and the frequency much less often.
NDplayin wrote:I better say this before the games play out tonight so it doesn't take on the wrong appearance:
The 2013 North Dakota Class B Boys Basketball Tournament is a joke.
Why? Because 2 of the best 4 teams in the state were guaranteed to stay home before the season even started-- thanks to a pathetic broken system.
I'm sick of trying to fix the districts- districts aren't the problem in B. The problem is that some of the best 8 teams are excluded through no fault of their own.
Now, if one of the best 8 teams loses to one of the not best 8 teams... that's their fault- that's tournament basketball. But North Star, Four Winds, Beulah, and Trinity should be the four teams in the state semifinals and only two will make the tournament.
I don't like the push to stick with a sad system for the reason that "you shouldn't be able to lose a game and still move on." I think you shouldn't be able to be an average team who plays a region full of below average teams and still moves on. I'm more in a favor of a system that actually gives the best teams in the state a chance to get to the state tournament over a system that automatically excludes some of the best 8 teams.
classB4ever wrote:NDplayin,
Serious question. How do you know that the so called 2 top teams are going to meet in the region championship? What if they are from the same district? Heck, one of them could end up not even making the region championship because of the way the brackets fall. How would the system guarantee that? Kind of what we have now, but they would be out a game earlier.
cubsfan wrote:If you were to change the system like the one you stated, there would be still be people claiming that there are three or four teams that should make the state tournament out of region. I also find it ludicrous that you say that those two games should be in the semi-finals at state. There are plenty of talented teams that have laid an egg over the years in the first round who had the talent to win a state title.
NDplayin wrote:cubsfan wrote:If you were to change the system like the one you stated, there would be still be people claiming that there are three or four teams that should make the state tournament out of region. I also find it ludicrous that you say that those two games should be in the semi-finals at state. There are plenty of talented teams that have laid an egg over the years in the first round who had the talent to win a state title.
I've already said that the underlined portion is sure to happen, but it will happen much less consistently with 4 regions. Plain and simple- no system is perfect but this system is closer considering the number of teams we currently have.
As for the rest of it, welcome to sports. When you don't show up for a game and lay an egg you have yourself to blame. That is very different than being excluded from even the opportunity by the system.
NDplayin wrote:5. Every athlete gets to participate in tournament games
I don't like the super-regional idea as eliminating the districts excludes the bottom dweller teams from experiencing a tournament atmosphere. Remember, at the bottom line of all of this are the kids, their opportunities, and their education. Eliminating districts subtracts from that theme. It's not about our entertainment value as we often think it is.
There are several more benefits- these are the top 5
cubsfan wrote:So you're saying that every team doesn't have a chance to make it to state now? Every team doesn't have a chance to win a state title? I would also like to point out that you were the one who said that these region title games should be the state semifinal matchups.
scc wrote:woodchuck10 wrote:The beauty of this format is that these teams get to send a rival home and prevent them from going to state. I bet Beulah/Trinity and North Star/Four Winds and all the other regions would love end each others seasons in the Regional championship. Its win or go home once you get to the Regional and it should stay that way. Right now we have a 64 team single elimination tournament to decide a state championship. it is not broken....just needs some tweaking.
This is what Class B basketball is about.
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