"QRF-like" Ranking and other rankings

[Run4Fun2009]

The QRF-like ranking I did last year will be back again this year...I will also post other different statistical rankings within this thread. These will start being posted sometime around mid-December.

[Run4Fun2009]

"QRF" ranking as of 12/16/12
**Still early -- accuracy will improve as more games are played
Top 20
1. Beulah (5-0) 65.0
2. North Star (4-0) 60.0
3. Trenton (4-0) 60.0
4. Four Winds-Minnewaukan (4-1) 53.0
5. Heart River (3-1) 51.3
6. Rugby (5-0) 50.0
7. LaMoure-LM (5-1) 49.2
8. Dickinson Trinity (5-0) 49.0
9. Strasburg/Zeeland (4-0) 47.5
10. Maple Valley (5-1) 46.7
11. Carrington (5-0) 45.0
12. Our Redeemer's (6-0) 44.2
13. Garrison (3-2) 43.0
14. Dunseith (3-1) 42.5
15. Hillsboro-CV (1-3) 41.3
16. Washburn (4-1) 41.0
17. Enderlin (3-3) 40.8
18. Berthold (5-1) 38.3
19. Oak Grove (4-1) 37.0
19. St. John (4-1) 37.0

RPI as of 12/16/12 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratings_Percentage_Index)
**Ranking accuracy will improve as more games are played
Top 20
1. North Star (4-0) .7812
2. Trenton (4-0) .722
3. LaMoure-LM (5-1) .7412
4. Four Winds-Minnewaukan (4-1) .7172
5. Dickinson Trinity (5-0) .6948
6. Beulah (5-0) .6936
7. Rugby (5-0) .6776
8. Our Redeemer's (6-0) .6737
9. St. John (4-1) .6631
10. Dunseith (3-1) .6607
11. Grafton (2-2) .6540
12. Strasburg/Zeeland (4-0) .6499
13. Des Lacs-Burlington (3-0) .6436
14. Heart River (3-1) .6434
15. Maple Valley (5-1) .6389
16. New Rockford-Sheyenne (3-2) .6209
17. Standing Rock (3-1) .6185
18. Wyndmere-Lidgerwood (3-1) .6062
19. Bishop Ryan (3-1) .5986
20. Carrington (5-0) .5957

[Run4Fun2009]

New Rankings out tomorrow

[Run4Fun2009]

"QRF" ranking as of 12/23/12
1. North Star (6-1) 87.1
2. Trenton (5-0) 78.0
3. Beulah (7-0) 76.4
4. Oak Grove (5-1) 73.3
5. LaMoure-LM (6-1) 71.4
6. Rugby (7-1) 70.0
7. Carrington (6-0) 63.3
8. Our Redeemer's (7-0) 55.7
9. Dickinson Trinity (7-0) 55.0
10. Four Winds-Minnewaukan (6-2) 53.8
11. Heart River (4-2) 52.5
12. Berthold (6-1) 52.1
13. Maple Valley (5-2) 51.4
14. Strasburg/Zeeland (6-0) 50.8
15. Hazen (5-3) 50.0
16. New Rockford-Sheyenne (4-3) 48.6
17. Dunseith (4-2) 48.3
18. Enderlin (3-5) 48.1
19. Washburn (5-2) 47.9
20. TGU (4-3) 45.7
20. Garrison (4-3) 45.7

RPI as of 12/23/12
1. North Star (6-1) .7347
2. Trenton (5-0) .7333
3. Beulah (7-0) .7317
4. LaMoure-LM (6-1) .6909
5. Dickinson Trinity (7-0) .6898
6. Four Winds-Minnewaukan (6-2) .6738
7. Our Redeemer's (7-0) .6675
8. Heart River (4-2) .6479
9. Rugby (7-1) .6457
10. Oak Grove (5-1) .6431
11. Bishop Ryan (4-2) .6404
12. Standing Rock (3-1) .6251
13. Maple Valley (5-2) .6238
14. Hazen (5-3) .6091
15. Carrington (6-0) .6051
16. St. John (5-1) .6040
17. Dunseith (4-2) .5941
18. Strasburg/Zeeland (6-0) .5931
19. New Rockford-Sheyenne (4-3) .5883
20. Powers Lake (5-1) .5857

[gominers]

I don't really know much about the QRF, but how can North Star lose to Beulah and not only jump them, but by a huge number. I know these sort of rankings aren't overly reliable with just a few games played, but is it possible an error was made in calculating?

[azcard]

This is a joke

[Run4Fun2009]

Its still early...when there are less than 10 games played its not entirely reliable but still close. The QRF also is constantly changing. Give it time...things may change just by the end of this week.

Note: I will still double check it though...

[Indy5]

I'm not sure about the QRF, but RPI is partially based on strength of schedule. North Star, so far, has a better strength of schedule. That can change over the course of the season.

I don't know how QRF works but I believe RPI is record vs opponents records vs opponents opponents records

[Run4Fun2009]

As of 1/6/13
"QRF" Ranking
1. North Star (8-1) 110.0
2. Beulah (9-0) 103.3
3. Dickinson Trinity (10-0) 103.0
4. Oak Grove (7-2) 91.2
5. Rugby (8-1) 91.0
6. Trenton (6-0) 89.2
7. LaMoure-LM (8-1) 75.4
8. Four Winds-Minnewaukan (8-2) 71.0
9. Shiloh Christian (7-2) 70.0
10. Strasburg/Zeeland (8-0) 70.0
11. Maple Valley (6-2) 69.4
12. Carrington (8-0) 68.1
13. Heart River (6-2) 68.1
14. Grant County (8-1) 66.8
15. Northern Cass (5-2) 60.1
16. Central Cass (7-1) 59.9
17. Turtle Lake-Mercer-McClusky (7-1) 59.5
18. Hazen (6-3) 58.3
19. Washburn (7-2) 58.0
20. Westhope-Newburg (5-2) 57.6


RPI Rating
1. North Star (8-1) .7343
2. Beulah (9-0) .7195
3. Dickinson Trinity (10-0) .7149
4. Trenton (6-0) .6800
5. Oak Grove (7-2) .6676
6. LaMoure-LM (8-1) .6650
7. Four Winds-Minnewaukan (8-2) .6649
8. Rugby (8-1) .6583
9. Bishop Ryan (5-3) .6441
10. Our Redeemer's (7-2) .6307
11. Shiloh Christian (7-2) .6253
12. St. John (6-1) .6240
13. Maple Valley (6-2) .6080
14. Heart River (6-2) .5974
15. Lisbon (6-2) .5923
16. Carrington (8-0) .5867
17. Strasburg/Zeeland (8-0) .5856
18. New Rockford-Sheyenne (6-3) .5782
19. Turtle Lake-Mercer-McClusky (7-1) .5767
20. Dunseith (4-3) .5765

[End90]

Not to disparage any poll or ranking, but any poll or ranking that does not have Beulah No. 1 at this point in the season, I do not take too seriously. Beulah has beat all their opponents and beat their ranked opponents handidly (a list that includes North Star).

[Run4Fun2009]

Not to disparage any poll or ranking, but any poll or ranking that does not have Beulah No. 1 at this point in the season, I do not take too seriously. Beulah has beat all their opponents and beat their ranked opponents handidly (a list that includes North Star).

They'll be there soon in the QRF...they are slowly creaping up on North Star plus Beulah's upcoming schedule is 'tougher' than North Star's schedule.

[bison football73]

People need to cool their jets a little bit. If you know anything about QRF or even RPI you know it takes awhile to get a true ranking of teams. We are really only about a month into the season so just slow the roll a little.

[yadot]

Question for you End90. Team A vs. TeamB. Team A down by 8 in first half yet comes back to lead by 2 at half. Stretches lead to 10 in 3rd yet Team B cuts lead to 1 with 4 minutes left in game with possesion, only to have team A build back a seven point lead and win by 5. Do you think Team A beat Team B handily? Just wondering. Thank you.

[End90]

From what I have seen, Beulah has beat their opponents by an average of over 30 points a game (including ranked opponent games) and have beat their ranked opponents by an average slightly over 15 points a game. In my opinion, beating all opponents by over 30 points a game and ranked opponents by over 15 points game is winning handidly in general. If looking at one specific opponent, their 2 closest games have been North Star (5 pt win) and Bishop Ryan (10 pt win), both played on their opponents home court (Ryan actually played at the Minot Auditorium, but still in Ryan's hometown). An argument can be made that the North Star win was not "handidly," so that is 1 game at best, which is I am assuming the game yadot you are referring to. But in general, Beulah is handidly beating their opponents and beat the then #1 (now #2) ranked team on their home court. Thus, my original point is, at this current date, I do not see an argument to Beulah not being #1, or at least above North Star (maybe Dickinson Trinity has an argument). Now I understand rankings and polls can take different factors into consideration and give different weight to those factors (as example BCS rankings), however, if those factors and weights do not play out to an accurate ranking until some time later then I do not give much weight to that ranking or poll until that time.

[classB4ever]

Let's be realistic: It doesn't matter if it is a media based poll or a statistical based QRF ranking or RPI rating. The more time media members have to watch teams, the more accurate their polls become. In the QRF and RPI systems, the more statistics these systems get, the more accurate they become. It is a measuring stick, not the holy grail. Take all of them for what they are, discussion topics.

[Run4Fun2009]

End90,
I can tell you two things:
1. Beulah takes care of business over the next two weeks they move into the #1 spot on QRF (even if North Star wins their games too)...better opponents.
2. Its not worth getting so worked up over...

Just an interesting note...which is what is giving North Star the edge even with the close loss:
Beulah's opponent record: 44-41
North Star's opponent record: 51-18 (including Dupree, SD; not including the FW-M JV who is 2-1 against Varsity opponents)

[The Schwab]

I will tell you, Dupree is very very very good

[yadot]

The Beulah-Northstar game was the one I was referring to End90. You make some good points and clarified some things. I just didnt think Beulah handily beat Northstar. But like run said, with the schedules in the next few weeks everything on the formulas will pan out. But thankfully it is decided on the court , these rankings are just fun to look at and something to talk(argue) about.

[DBA]

Question for you End90. Team A vs. TeamB. Team A down by 8 in first half yet comes back to lead by 2 at half. Stretches lead to 10 in 3rd yet Team B cuts lead to 1 with 4 minutes left in game with possesion, only to have team A build back a seven point lead and win by 5. Do you think Team A beat Team B handily? Just wondering. Thank you

During last year's champ game, I remember feeling that the game was a toss up and that maybe North Star had the upper hand. Not the case in this year's matchup in Cando. From my perspective, it felt like Beulah was in control for the last 3 quarters of the game. Granted, they were not able to pull away and it was definitely not a blowout but at this point, there's no way I can buy that North Star is a better team than Beulah. But it's a season and I think North Star will only improve over the year. The next night in Rugby, North Star's lesser known players played much better. A tough regular schedule will do them a lot of good in preparation for tournament time.

[4mrnative]

Question for you End90. Team A vs. TeamB. Team A down by 8 in first half yet comes back to lead by 2 at half. Stretches lead to 10 in 3rd yet Team B cuts lead to 1 with 4 minutes left in game with possesion, only to have team A build back a seven point lead and win by 5. Do you think Team A beat Team B handily? Just wondering. Thank you

During last year's champ game, I remember feeling that the game was a toss up and that maybe North Star had the upper hand. Not the case in this year's matchup in Cando. From my perspective, it felt like Beulah was in control for the last 3 quarters of the game. Granted, they were not able to pull away and it was definitely not a blowout but at this point, there's no way I can buy that North Star is a better team than Beulah. But it's a season and I think North Star will only improve over the year. The next night in Rugby, North Star's lesser known players played much better. A tough regular schedule will do them a lot of good in preparation for tournament time.

I like your assessment, DBA. I was at the game and pretty much agree with you though not quite as confident as you were that Beulah was in control all of the last 3 quarters...I especially agree with your assessment on NS's young kids. If they develop under Coach Hagler like is suspect their pedigree's would lend themselves, this will be a significantly more composed team by tournament time. Those two sophomores and two eighth graders (I think that's correct) are pretty special. All credit to Beulah. They are one solid group of athletes and well disciplined and coached.

[Run4Fun2009]

New Rankings posted tonight...

[Flip]

New Rankings posted tonight...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQqwG_rQx7A&t=1m13s

[Run4Fun2009]

As of 1/13/13
"QRF" Ranking
1. North Star (9-1) 127.6
2. Beulah (11-0) 121.8
3. Dickinson Trinity (12-0) 115.8
4. Oak Grove (8-2) 104.4
5. Rugby (10-1) 99.3
6. Trenton (8-0) 92.5
7. Shiloh Christian (8-2) 87.0
8. Maple Valley (6-2) 86.4
9. LaMoure-LM (9-2) 86.0
10. Carrington (9-0) 85.6
11. Strasburg/Zeeland (10-0) 85.0
12. Four Winds-Minnewaukan (8-2) 84.1
13. Berthold (9-1) 83.9
14. Turtle Lake-M-M (9-1) 80.4
15. Heart River (7-3) 75.5
16. Central Cass (8-1) 75.2
17. Grant County (10-1) 71.3
18. Washburn (8-3) 68.6
19. Lidgerwood-Wyndmere (7-2) 66.0
20. Hazen (6-4) 65.9

RPI Rating
1. North Star (9-1) .7093
2. Beulah (11-0) .7022
3. Four Winds-Minnewaukan (8-2) .6640
4. Dickinson Trinity (12-0) .6637
5. Oak Grove (8-2) .6626
6. LaMoure-LM (9-2) .6501
7. Rugby (10-1) .6342
8. Trenton (8-0) .6325
9. Shiloh Christian (8-2) .6241
10. Maple Valley (6-2) .6153
11. Carrington (9-0) .6149
12. Berthold (9-1) .6078
13. Turtle Lake-M-M (9-1) .6029
14. Bishop Ryan (5-5) .5968
15. Strasburg/Zeeland (10-0) .5964
16. St. John (7-2) .5858
17. Central Cass (8-1) .5778
18. Des Lacs-Burlington (7-2) .5760
19. Heart River (7-3) .5747
20. Hazen (6-4) .5730

[old#63]

Region 2 is getting dissed pretty bad in these ratings. Nobody in the Top 20? C'mon, Man!! Dat's improperganda!!

[gominers]

They're computer rankings. They have their flaws. Can't even figure out the #2 beat the #1 team. Its all about who you've played.