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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby BB11 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:13 pm

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NodakQ2 wrote:This will sort itself out as the season progresses. Hazen could be a spot or two higher and I think LaMoure is a bit over-rated but undefeated. From the games I've seen, both Hazen and a healthy Grafton team are better than LaMoure. Tough to leave the undefeatededs out of the top spots until they get beat.

I have the same feeling although LaMoure is undefeated they have had a pretty easy scheduale even though they beat a couple or very tough teams in H/N and H/R. Their biggest tasks are behind them. and they will more thn likely stay at the three spot or maybe drop a couple but will stay up only because i feel they will finish out the regular season undefeated

Of the 10 teams in the most recent poll, LaMoure has played the sixth strongest schedule. Source: http://www.ndrpi.com


Interesting site. The one stat I didn't understand is the EWP (Expected Winning %) as some teams have an expected winning % either higher or lower than what they could actually achieve. Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong. EX: Team has EWP of 840 yet they are 7-7 - impossible to get that high even if they run table and win state. Also saw other teams EWP as low as 002 but they already had a couple or three wins. Please explain this formula. Also - just for curiousity's sake - Is Run the man behind the site? I've always wondered how you get all the info you get?????? :shock:
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby scc » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:43 pm

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scc wrote:
TouchdownPack wrote:
NodakQ2 wrote:This will sort itself out as the season progresses. Hazen could be a spot or two higher and I think LaMoure is a bit over-rated but undefeated. From the games I've seen, both Hazen and a healthy Grafton team are better than LaMoure. Tough to leave the undefeatededs out of the top spots until they get beat.

I have the same feeling although LaMoure is undefeated they have had a pretty easy scheduale even though they beat a couple or very tough teams in H/N and H/R. Their biggest tasks are behind them. and they will more thn likely stay at the three spot or maybe drop a couple but will stay up only because i feel they will finish out the regular season undefeated

Of the 10 teams in the most recent poll, LaMoure has played the sixth strongest schedule. Source: http://www.ndrpi.com


Interesting site. The one stat I didn't understand is the EWP (Expected Winning %) as some teams have an expected winning % either higher or lower than what they could actually achieve. Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong. EX: Team has EWP of 840 yet they are 7-7 - impossible to get that high even if they run table and win state. Also saw other teams EWP as low as 002 but they already had a couple or three wins. Please explain this formula. Also - just for curiousity's sake - Is Run the man behind the site? I've always wondered how you get all the info you get?????? :shock:

The EWP is derived from a formula that attempts to determine if a team is doing better or worse than expected. If the actual winning percentage is greater than the EWP, the team is overachieving or has good luck. Likewise, if the actual winning percentage is lower than the EWP, they are underachieving or have bad luck. In other words, the EWP isn't where they're expected to be at the end of the season. It's about where they're expected to be right now. It's only a formula, though, so don't take it too seriously.


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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby BB11 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:51 am

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scc wrote:
TouchdownPack wrote:
NodakQ2 wrote:This will sort itself out as the season progresses. Hazen could be a spot or two higher and I think LaMoure is a bit over-rated but undefeated. From the games I've seen, both Hazen and a healthy Grafton team are better than LaMoure. Tough to leave the undefeatededs out of the top spots until they get beat.

I have the same feeling although LaMoure is undefeated they have had a pretty easy scheduale even though they beat a couple or very tough teams in H/N and H/R. Their biggest tasks are behind them. and they will more thn likely stay at the three spot or maybe drop a couple but will stay up only because i feel they will finish out the regular season undefeated

Of the 10 teams in the most recent poll, LaMoure has played the sixth strongest schedule. Source: http://www.ndrpi.com


Interesting site. The one stat I didn't understand is the EWP (Expected Winning %) as some teams have an expected winning % either higher or lower than what they could actually achieve. Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong. EX: Team has EWP of 840 yet they are 7-7 - impossible to get that high even if they run table and win state. Also saw other teams EWP as low as 002 but they already had a couple or three wins. Please explain this formula. Also - just for curiousity's sake - Is Run the man behind the site? I've always wondered how you get all the info you get?????? :shock:

The EWP is derived from a formula that attempts to determine if a team is doing better or worse than expected. If the actual winning percentage is greater than the EWP, the team is overachieving or has good luck. Likewise, if the actual winning percentage is lower than the EWP, they are underachieving or have bad luck. In other words, the EWP isn't where they're expected to be at the end of the season. It's about where they're expected to be right now. It's only a formula, though, so don't take it too seriously.


Run isn't behind the website, but he is kind enough to help submit scores and corrections.


Thanks SCC - that makes a lot more sense to me now. Appreciate it.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby theworldismine1999 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:43 pm

scc wrote:
TouchdownPack wrote:
NodakQ2 wrote:This will sort itself out as the season progresses. Hazen could be a spot or two higher and I think LaMoure is a bit over-rated but undefeated. From the games I've seen, both Hazen and a healthy Grafton team are better than LaMoure. Tough to leave the undefeatededs out of the top spots until they get beat.

I have the same feeling although LaMoure is undefeated they have had a pretty easy scheduale even though they beat a couple or very tough teams in H/N and H/R. Their biggest tasks are behind them. and they will more thn likely stay at the three spot or maybe drop a couple but will stay up only because i feel they will finish out the regular season undefeated

Of the 10 teams in the most recent poll, LaMoure has played the sixth strongest schedule. Source: http://www.ndrpi.com

Wow i never would have guessed that :? :shock:
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby KG4MVP » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:30 pm

Where is the new poll??
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby scc » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:02 pm

KG4MVP wrote:Where is the new poll??

It should be out by 7:00.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby ND_beast » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:34 pm

7th Poll
1/16/12

1. North Star (12) 11-0 120
2. Berthold 12-0 103
3. LaMoure 14-0 95
4. Central Cass 12-0 85
5. Grafton 11-1 70
6. Hazen 12-0 55
7. Dickinson Trinity 12-1 51
8. Bottineau 12-1 32
9. Rugby 11-0 25
10. Beulah 10-3 12

Others receiving votes: Maple Valley (9-1), Griggs County Central (10-2), Four Winds-Minnewaukan (10-3), Hatton-Northwood (8-4).
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby theworldismine1999 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:23 am

ND_beast wrote:7th Poll
1/16/12

1. North Star (12) 11-0 120
2. Berthold 12-0 103
3. LaMoure 14-0 95
4. Central Cass 12-0 85
5. Grafton 11-1 70
6. Hazen 12-0 55
7. Dickinson Trinity 12-1 51
8. Bottineau 12-1 32
9. Rugby 11-0 25
10. Beulah 10-3 12
Others receiving votes: Maple Valley (9-1), Griggs County Central (10-2), Four Winds-Minnewaukan (10-3), Hatton-Northwood (8-4).

Rugby won't move after getting murdered by North Star will they?
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:38 am

theworldismine1999 wrote:
ND_beast wrote:7th Poll
1/16/12

1. North Star (12) 11-0 120
2. Berthold 12-0 103
3. LaMoure 14-0 95
4. Central Cass 12-0 85
5. Grafton 11-1 70
6. Hazen 12-0 55
7. Dickinson Trinity 12-1 51
8. Bottineau 12-1 32
9. Rugby 11-0 25
10. Beulah 10-3 12
Others receiving votes: Maple Valley (9-1), Griggs County Central (10-2), Four Winds-Minnewaukan (10-3), Hatton-Northwood (8-4).

Rugby won't move after getting murdered by North Star will they?


I could see Rugby fall out of the Top 10 and Maple Valley move into the #10 spot (Beulah moving to #9)...Also Hazen will probably drop to #8 after their close loss to DT.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby vikingman » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:01 am

How many games does Hatton-Northwood have to lose before people quit giving them votes?
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby NodakQ2 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:23 pm

I agree...I don't care how good you are or who you lose to; you lose FOUR games you don't deserve to even get votes.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby scc » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:43 pm

Injuries have hurt Hatton-Northwood all year. They need to be healthy at tournament time.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:49 pm

Plus...Hatton-Northwood's losses are to Thompson, LaMoure and Grafton. Also, Ada-Borup (MN) good programing.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby Sportsknowledge » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:28 pm

Was there a new poll today?
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:59 pm

8th Poll
1/23/12

1. North Star (13) 13-0 130
2. Berthold 14-0 116
3. LaMoure 15-0 98
4. Central Cass 14-0 93
5. Grafton 12-1 73
6. Dickinson Trinity 15-1 69
7. Bottineau 14-1 42
8. Beulah 12-3 27
9. Maple Valley 12-1 23
10. Rugby 14-1 17

Others Receiving Votes: Hatton-Northwood (10-4), Four Winds-Minnewauken (12-3), Linton-HMB (12-4), Griggs County Central (13-2), Shiloh Christian (12-3), Hazen (12-3).
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby stealin'bases24 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:21 pm

Bottineau beat Rugby tonight
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby KG4MVP » Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:42 am

Griggs County receiving votes is hilarious...there really not a good team.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby ndlionsfan » Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:35 am

KG4MVP wrote:Griggs County receiving votes is hilarious...there really not a good team.


THey're obviously better than 13 other teams they've played
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby d_fense » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:59 pm

Yes they are better than 13 teams that they have played. But, that doesn't mean they are very good. If you look at the schedule that they play outside of the district, historically it is pretty weak. It is a product of their geography more than anything. I am not sure they are a top two team in many districts. I took a quick look at the updated standings. I think the only district that they would be as high as a number two team in districts 1-8, is in district 8. I think they are fairly equivalant to Edgley/K who are the number two team from district 5 I believe....
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby packers21 » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:14 pm

d_fense wrote:Yes they are better than 13 teams that they have played. But, that doesn't mean they are very good. If you look at the schedule that they play outside of the district, historically it is pretty weak. It is a product of their geography more than anything. I am not sure they are a top two team in many districts. I took a quick look at the updated standings. I think the only district that they would be as high as a number two team in districts 1-8, is in district 8. I think they are fairly equivalant to Edgley/K who are the number two team from district 5 I believe....



There is no such thing as a bad 13 win team from region 2. They are a very good team. Have you seen Engels play? Hes the real deal, extremly quick, good range and a very good passer. Wathe does a very good job inside and if the other guys are hitting from the outside they are very tough to beat. They made it regionals last year and I would expect them to be 2 or 3 coming out of D3 this year. Saying they are a weak team is niave.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:05 pm

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d_fense wrote:Yes they are better than 13 teams that they have played. But, that doesn't mean they are very good. If you look at the schedule that they play outside of the district, historically it is pretty weak. It is a product of their geography more than anything. I am not sure they are a top two team in many districts. I took a quick look at the updated standings. I think the only district that they would be as high as a number two team in districts 1-8, is in district 8. I think they are fairly equivalant to Edgley/K who are the number two team from district 5 I believe....



There is no such thing as a bad 13 win team from region 2. They are a very good team. Have you seen Engels play? Hes the real deal, extremly quick, good range and a very good passer. Wathe does a very good job inside and if the other guys are hitting from the outside they are very tough to beat. They made it regionals last year and I would expect them to be 2 or 3 coming out of D3 this year. Saying they are a weak team is niave.


We'll get a good idea of how good GCC is on February 6th when they host now-#9 Maple Valley
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby scc » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:53 pm

Run4Fun2009 wrote:
packers21 wrote:
d_fense wrote:Yes they are better than 13 teams that they have played. But, that doesn't mean they are very good. If you look at the schedule that they play outside of the district, historically it is pretty weak. It is a product of their geography more than anything. I am not sure they are a top two team in many districts. I took a quick look at the updated standings. I think the only district that they would be as high as a number two team in districts 1-8, is in district 8. I think they are fairly equivalant to Edgley/K who are the number two team from district 5 I believe....



There is no such thing as a bad 13 win team from region 2. They are a very good team. Have you seen Engels play? Hes the real deal, extremly quick, good range and a very good passer. Wathe does a very good job inside and if the other guys are hitting from the outside they are very tough to beat. They made it regionals last year and I would expect them to be 2 or 3 coming out of D3 this year. Saying they are a weak team is niave.


We'll get a good idea of how good GCC is on February 6th when they host now-#9 Maple Valley

Griggs County Central @ Hatton-Northwood on Monday should be a good matchup.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby d_fense » Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:12 pm

packers21 wrote:
d_fense wrote:Yes they are better than 13 teams that they have played. But, that doesn't mean they are very good. If you look at the schedule that they play outside of the district, historically it is pretty weak. It is a product of their geography more than anything. I am not sure they are a top two team in many districts. I took a quick look at the updated standings. I think the only district that they would be as high as a number two team in districts 1-8, is in district 8. I think they are fairly equivalant to Edgley/K who are the number two team from district 5 I believe....



There is no such thing as a bad 13 win team from region 2. They are a very good team. Have you seen Engels play? Hes the real deal, extremly quick, good range and a very good passer. Wathe does a very good job inside and if the other guys are hitting from the outside they are very tough to beat. They made it regionals last year and I would expect them to be 2 or 3 coming out of D3 this year. Saying they are a weak team is niave.



Packers, take some time to comprehend what you read. First off, I didn’t say they are a bad team. Saying a team is not VERY GOOD, doesn’t mean they are bad. It means they are not VERY GOOD. To answer your question, yes I have seen Engels play, both basketball and football. He is a nice athlete, very quick, but his size does hurt his game a bit. Wathe is a nice player. Scores the ball pretty well and would play on any team around. So, you have a team in Griggs County that has two players that are pretty good. You say that “if the other guys are hitting from the outside they are very tough to beat”. How many teams are not pretty tough to beat if their 3rd, 4th, and 5th best players are hitting outside shots? I never said they are a week team, if that is what you got out of what I wrote you may have a problem with literacy. Facts are facts. Griggs County only plays 10 games this year vs. region 2 teams (I find it difficult to believe that may teams play so few games in their own region). Once again a product of their geography, the only team they play twice in their district is Dakota Prairie who is alright, but not a top team in the district. The two region games they play that are not in their district are vs. Midway (2-5 district points) who is next to last in district 4 and Valley/Edinburg (3-5 district points). So, don’t give me the “There is no such thing as a bad 13 win team from region 2”. Once again, didn’t say they were bad. Secondly, they nearly play more teams from outside their region than from in it. And finally, region 2 is typically the toughest in the state, but most people in the region would agree, from top to bottom, the region is not as tough as it is most years. Still some very good teams at the top, but overall it is a down year. We will see how they fair when they play Maple Valley and Hatton/Northwood in the near future.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby packers21 » Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:38 pm

d_fense wrote:
packers21 wrote:
d_fense wrote:Yes they are better than 13 teams that they have played. But, that doesn't mean they are very good. If you look at the schedule that they play outside of the district, historically it is pretty weak. It is a product of their geography more than anything. I am not sure they are a top two team in many districts. I took a quick look at the updated standings. I think the only district that they would be as high as a number two team in districts 1-8, is in district 8. I think they are fairly equivalant to Edgley/K who are the number two team from district 5 I believe....



There is no such thing as a bad 13 win team from region 2. They are a very good team. Have you seen Engels play? Hes the real deal, extremly quick, good range and a very good passer. Wathe does a very good job inside and if the other guys are hitting from the outside they are very tough to beat. They made it regionals last year and I would expect them to be 2 or 3 coming out of D3 this year. Saying they are a weak team is niave.



Packers, take some time to comprehend what you read. First off, I didn’t say they are a bad team. Saying a team is not VERY GOOD, doesn’t mean they are bad. It means they are not VERY GOOD. To answer your question, yes I have seen Engels play, both basketball and football. He is a nice athlete, very quick, but his size does hurt his game a bit. Wathe is a nice player. Scores the ball pretty well and would play on any team around. So, you have a team in Griggs County that has two players that are pretty good. You say that “if the other guys are hitting from the outside they are very tough to beat”. How many teams are not pretty tough to beat if their 3rd, 4th, and 5th best players are hitting outside shots? I never said they are a week team, if that is what you got out of what I wrote you may have a problem with literacy. Facts are facts. Griggs County only plays 10 games this year vs. region 2 teams (I find it difficult to believe that may teams play so few games in their own region). Once again a product of their geography, the only team they play twice in their district is Dakota Prairie who is alright, but not a top team in the district. The two region games they play that are not in their district are vs. Midway (2-5 district points) who is next to last in district 4 and Valley/Edinburg (3-5 district points). So, don’t give me the “There is no such thing as a bad 13 win team from region 2”. Once again, didn’t say they were bad. Secondly, they nearly play more teams from outside their region than from in it. And finally, region 2 is typically the toughest in the state, but most people in the region would agree, from top to bottom, the region is not as tough as it is most years. Still some very good teams at the top, but overall it is a down year. We will see how they fair when they play Maple Valley and Hatton/Northwood in the near future.



I do comprehend what I read. I still strongly disagree w you, but thats fine. How do they have to play MV and HN for you to think they are "Very good"? Split, win both, lose both close? Those 2 teams are state contenders say that GCC isnt is wrong.
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Re: 2011-12 Polls

Postby d_fense » Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:56 pm

I think your last statement is incorrect. I don’t think those teams are state contenders (if your meaning is state champions). I have not had a chance to watch Hatton/Northwood this year. Spoke to someone from there before Christmas and he felt they were not as good as they were last year. I am not sure if Kyle Peterson is playing or not. That would make a difference. In the paper there is a Peterson scoring a couple points a game (which doesn’t sound like Kyle), but I think that may be one of the other Petersons. I would give H/N about a 30% chance of making it to state, which is pretty good. If they make it to state, I would give them about a 15% chance of winning it. I may be making that a little high based on past region 2 successes. I have seen Maple Valley play twice this year. I don’t think they are by any means a top team (30 point loss to Central Cass). I would say without a doubt they were better last year when they had more size and a strong post presence on both ends of the court. With the exception of Central Cass region 1 is down this year. I don’t see Maple Valley as being much better than any of the next 4 teams after Central Cass. I would say Maple Valley has about a 10% chance of making it to state, with almost no chance of winning it. I am not sure if I would change my mind about Griggs County having seen them play. I guess I would think that if they are a very good team they should beat H/N by 8 if they are at home and just winning the game if they are on the road would be good. I think they would have to beat Maple Valley by 12+ since I know that game is a home contest for them. You can’t just look at a team record to decide how good they are. You have to take into account who they play and how though those opponents are. A two point win at a 6 win Midway/Minto along with a six point win vs. a 4 and 13 Barns Co. North are not very impressive.
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