Class B Trivia

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Re: Class B Trivia

Postby Wilbur » Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:56 pm

yellowjacket wrote:Wilbur I have to correct you on your region alignments prior to 2000. Region 6 consisted of teams in southwest( south of I94), Region 7 teams in west central(north of I94 and west of US83), and region 8 was the area around Minot and to the west and northwest.


Yellowjacket, I stand corrected. I know Region 5 became Region 3 in 2000. I wasn’t aware that any of the other regions changed before that. They may have changed 1993-94, for other regions besides that. If someone can tell me what the regions were for the state finalists from 1994-99, I can correct that data on my post. Sorry about that. The 2000-17 figures should be accurate, though.
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Re: Class B Trivia

Postby yellowjacket » Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:59 pm

Sorry, 94 to 98. When Minot Ryan won in 1994 they were out of region 8. Grenora in 95 and Glenburn in 97 were both state ruunerups out of region 8.
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Re: Class B Trivia

Postby yellowjacket » Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:01 am

I think current regions formed in 99
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Re: Class B Trivia

Postby yellowjacket » Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:05 am

Wilbur wrote:Minot used to hold two region tournaments. Region 6 and Region 7. When I was at Minot State in 1985-86, the Region 7 Tournament was at the dome and the Region 6 Tournament was at the Auditorium.

Minot would be correct. The regions that played their over the years have probably changed. I remember region 7 being at the auditorium and region 8 at the dome.
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Re: Class B Trivia

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:22 am

Wilbur wrote:Sorry, never noticed “dude” before Coach Limke’s name. Sounds like I was being disrespectful of him. Will have to check my posts more carefully before submitting them from now on. I notice that Kenmare also gets changed to “Kenmore”.


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Re: Class B Trivia

Postby Flip » Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:01 pm

State tournament success is a poor way to judge region strength. By that logic region 3 was better than region 1 this year or the eastern conference was better than the western conference last season because the cavs beat the warriors.

I do agree region 3 is a weaker region. They don't have any big or private schools.
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Re: Class B Trivia

Postby Wilbur » Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:22 pm

Ok, I think I finally got my crap together on this region alignment thing. I started following Class B Basketball in 1978-79, even though I remember watching the 1977 and 1978 State title games. At that time, there were 8 regions with 4 districts apiece. The regions were 1 (southeast), 2 (east central), 3 (northeast), 4 (north central to the east), 5 (south central from Missouri River east), 6 (north central to the west), 7 (northwest corner, west central) and 8 (southwest). This alignment continued through the 1989-90 season, when the districts in each region were reduced to 3 for the 1990-91 and 1991-92 seasons.
The districts in each region were reduced to 2 starting in 1992-93, and some of the region alignments changed, most notably, Region 8 became Region 6, and Region 6 became Region 8, and added some of the area from the northern part of Region 7. This continued through the 1997-98 season, and beginning in 1998-99, the regions were aligned to what they are today.
1993-98 is still kind of a gray area for me for some reason.
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Re: Class B Trivia

Postby winner-within » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:07 pm

Wilbur wrote:Ok, I think I finally got my crap together on this region alignment thing. I started following Class B Basketball in 1978-79, even though I remember watching the 1977 and 1978 State title games. At that time, there were 8 regions with 4 districts apiece. The regions were 1 (southeast), 2 (east central), 3 (northeast), 4 (north central to the east), 5 (south central from Missouri River east), 6 (north central to the west), 7 (northwest corner, west central) and 8 (southwest). This alignment continued through the 1989-90 season, when the districts in each region were reduced to 3 for the 1990-91 and 1991-92 seasons.
The districts in each region were reduced to 2 starting in 1992-93, and some of the region alignments changed, most notably, Region 8 became Region 6, and Region 6 became Region 8, and added some of the area from the northern part of Region 7. This continued through the 1997-98 season, and beginning in 1998-99, the regions were aligned to what they are today.
1993-98 is still kind of a gray area for me for some reason.


the 90's were a true scramble when it came to co-ops and organizing Class B basketball I would say it was the decade of indication of a lot Class B schools were going to be closing their doors....
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Re: Class B Trivia

Postby Wilbur » Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:47 pm

winner-within, sadly what you say is true. The few co-ops I can think of when I was in high school off the top of my head were Mayville-Portland, Finley-Sharon, Richardson-Taylor, Clifford-Galesburg and Divide County, if you want to include them. heck, Wing, Woodworth, Robinson, Pingree, Pettibone, Buchanan and Tuttle each had separate teams in the same district, so that should tell you how long ago that was. Remarkably, if someone would have told me in 1981 that this is the way Class B would look in 2017, I would have thought they were crazy, even though the writing was on the wall, so to speak.
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Re: Class B Trivia

Postby winner-within » Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:49 pm

Wilbur wrote:winner-within, sadly what you say is true. The few co-ops I can think of when I was in high school off the top of my head were Mayville-Portland, Finley-Sharon, Richardson-Taylor, Clifford-Galesburg and Divide County, if you want to include them. heck, Wing, Woodworth, Robinson, Pingree, Pettibone, Buchanan and Tuttle each had separate teams in the same district, so that should tell you how long ago that was. Remarkably, if someone would have told me in 1981 that this is the way Class B would look in 2017, I would have thought they were crazy, even though the writing was on the wall, so to speak.


I agree the writing on the wall was there somewhat in the sense of less kids per family, hence less enrollment, hence a small town school closing soon per say.....but I don't think anyone knew what would totally be taking place when it came to farming and once again I believe it is huge farms (nothing against them, just reality) that really changed the landscape of Class B and of so many schools realigning.....some schools didn't close because they were smaller than the next one, they closed because of location and where the school district lines were.....they're "Public Schools" and Public schools are an extension of State government and property taxes fuel them.....

I know most know this but my point is even though I believe families are getting bigger now than in the 90's that we still have so many less rural families living on the prairie if you will...

my big gripe against co-ops has always been its just a bandaid for sports....a true consolidation puts the responsibility of not only education on the school but also the resposibility of the extracurricular's too...
co-ops have many many kids driving many many miles on there own, with no true connection to the school but the sport.......

I to Wilbur am amazed at what has transpired in this great State and this great class of ball...Class B.. :)
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Re: Class B Trivia

Postby Wilbur » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:36 pm

Winner-within, a little perspective for those who don’t understand what we are talking about. The families in small towns have gotten smaller. Most small towns in ND probably have close to the same about of houses as they did in the 1970’s, but where there were once between 6-10 people in the house has diminished to 1-4 people now. Farm families were exceptionally large in small communities. When I was in grade school (1970’s), my class had roughly 60 students, but on the occasions that we had school but the buses did not run, there were probably 15 students who came to school. Today, you don’t even notice that the buses are not running, even though transportation has improved, and parents or the kids themselves will drive to school when the buses do not run.
Another thing is that out of 56 students in my graduating class, 35 of them were the youngest in their family, which meant the end of the line for a lot of relatively large families. Within the next five years, the classes dropped into the mid-30’s and even though they fluctuated between 30-40 students for quite a few years, they never got higher than 40 again, and are now in danger of falling below 20 students per class.
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Re: Class B Trivia

Postby cmplx6 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:25 pm

I think the Co-Ops in the state of North Dakota are out of control. This state faces a unique problem with education with the rural education requirements of the majority of the school districts in the state. Education is truly one of the most ingrained socialist parts of our government. But with the diminishing populations there is less and less money for the smaller schools. Transportation becomes an issue the further the school is located from students. So the issue is population density. How do you properly educate students in an area with such a small population density? Online classes? With all of the federal requirements for teachers schools have to keep a certain number of teachers in the school. What ends up happening is classes with 1-10 students in them. That class population can not pay for that teacher's salary.

So how does this all relate to athletics? Money.
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Re: Class B Trivia

Postby d_fense » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:59 pm

cmplx6 wrote:I think the Co-Ops in the state of North Dakota are out of control. This state faces a unique problem with education with the rural education requirements of the majority of the school districts in the state. Education is truly one of the most ingrained socialist parts of our government. But with the diminishing populations there is less and less money for the smaller schools. Transportation becomes an issue the further the school is located from students. So the issue is population density. How do you properly educate students in an area with such a small population density? Online classes? With all of the federal requirements for teachers schools have to keep a certain number of teachers in the school. What ends up happening is classes with 1-10 students in them. That class population can not pay for that teacher's salary.

So how does this all relate to athletics? Money.


cmplx6, what are the "rural education requirements"??? I don't know what you are talking about.
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Re: Class B Trivia

Postby B-oldtimer » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:53 am

I think were reaching nearly the point of school closings in the state. I don't doubt we will see a few more but a lot of schools that are now in place are reaching point of size where travel is becoming factor for parents to send their children to school. I also believe these small schools can offer education now with technology to even surpass what was even possible 20 years ago in public education. Also the costs of using this technology will hold down the cost of education for these small schools. If state resists this families will turn to home schooling using the same technology to meet their needs with private schooling. I do wonder where we are heading in sports. I have feeling that if Activities association and school administrators don't start looking to future we will see a lot of areas in the state where there are very few kids participating in traditional sports. These kids will put their time into other activities and sports they can play within there areas and time and finances. I know a lot of people have hard time getting their head around this but I have been seeing this already in many sports here in rural North Dakota. For example baseball is dying slow death here which to me has been one of my biggest frustrations for as parent and fan. But look around the state there are very few communities keeping up full baseball program. Basketball is similar in that very few kids unless their parents are fully committed to program are participating in basketball. These number are getting smaller by year. I also believe its starting in football and soon will be in volleyball because of commitments that are being required to participate in these sports also.
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Re: Class B Trivia

Postby winner-within » Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:24 am

Maple Valley has it right IMO....they vote again today for the 4th time
a new school centrally located and close down 2 old ones.........

its not right that all these new schools get built in the metros with what is needed for a student to advance and compete and excel in academics and extracurricular's etc etc and then out on the prairie where its much less cost to live and lower taxes and we cant build a school....WOW
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