scc wrote:Let it fail.
d_fense wrote:scc wrote:Let it fail.
Why will it fail.?
packers21 wrote:I don’t think the privates would opt up and any proposal without all of them in the middle class shouldn’t and won’t pass.
Flip wrote:packers21 wrote:I don’t think the privates would opt up and any proposal without all of them in the middle class shouldn’t and won’t pass.
based on what?
Flip wrote:With that logic maybe they'll all opt up because some do in football. But anyway, I don't think Shiloh not opting to 11 man will have much effect on Trinity, Ryan, or OG's potential decision. Take a look at the private schools non district or non region schedule. It kind of tells you who they want to be playing.
spins wrote:privates need their own class.
Mandan wrote:spins wrote:privates need their own class.
There are 8 private schools in North Dakota. That isn't enough for their own class.
B Historian wrote:This plan would be a disaster. If there are going to be three classes then the A/B cutoff needs to be at about 120 so 1) most of the private schools end up in the middle class and 2) the middle class has 38-40 teams in it.
classB4ever wrote:B Historian wrote:This plan would be a disaster. If there are going to be three classes then the A/B cutoff needs to be at about 120 so 1) most of the private schools end up in the middle class and 2) the middle class has 38-40 teams in it.
Tough one. Personally, I think the 150 is about right.
However, to determine enrollment, use a 1.5 multiplier if a team:
A. Is located in a city of > 5000 population.
B. Offers scholarships.
C. Has been in a region championship game or state tournament in either of the past 2 years.
After reading many articles on how other states are handling classifications, this seems to be the most equitable and gaining traction. The idea is based on 2 premises: 1. Private/parochial schools have 35%-50% higher participation rates in extracurricular activities than public schools. 2. Success seems to be the driving factor for the discussion, so this allows mobility back and forth between classifications.
I will honestly admit that ND's landscape is not like many other states when it comes to athletics. Not much traffic on preps, so just something to start a conversation.
B Historian wrote:classB4ever wrote:B Historian wrote:This plan would be a disaster. If there are going to be three classes then the A/B cutoff needs to be at about 120 so 1) most of the private schools end up in the middle class and 2) the middle class has 38-40 teams in it.
Tough one. Personally, I think the 150 is about right.
However, to determine enrollment, use a 1.5 multiplier if a team:
A. Is located in a city of > 5000 population.
B. Offers scholarships.
C. Has been in a region championship game or state tournament in either of the past 2 years.
After reading many articles on how other states are handling classifications, this seems to be the most equitable and gaining traction. The idea is based on 2 premises: 1. Private/parochial schools have 35%-50% higher participation rates in extracurricular activities than public schools. 2. Success seems to be the driving factor for the discussion, so this allows mobility back and forth between classifications.
I will honestly admit that ND's landscape is not like many other states when it comes to athletics. Not much traffic on preps, so just something to start a conversation.
I don't think the multiplier is something the NDHSAA wants to entertain. There are only eight or so private schools in the entire state. As has been discussed before, several have had success for sure but it's not like private schools are completely dominating high school basketball in the state. A multiplier isn't much bang for the buck, especially when it could lead to a legal challenge.
I think a cutoff of around 120 is reasonable because 1) it puts enough schools in the middle class to make regular season travel and region tournament travel a bit more doable, 2) it puts most of the private schools in the middle class without having to mess with multipliers and 3) it creates a small class that is truly about the small towns and schools.
Flip wrote:I don't like the multiplier that makes you move up if you've been to a region championship in either of the last 2 years. I'm not sure FSHP has ever been higher than a 6 seed in the region 2 tournament, but because they upset a couple teams last year they're going to be in the middle class?
I'm cool with the Wahpeton plan. I think 32 teams in the middle class is next to perfect and they'll get close to that number after opt-ups.
d_fense wrote:5. I don't see one school under 150 that will regularly compete with the likes of Wahpeton, where I think most above 150 will do fine. I also don't see one public school with numbers between 120-150 that will dominate the small class.
classB4ever wrote:I think you misunderstood the qualifiers.
...will probably break up some co-ops...
Flip wrote:...will probably break up some co-ops...
Do you think co-ops will break up to drop down a class or do you think it's because they won't need to co-op to be competitive?
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