bequickdonthurry wrote:So, when refs are too chicken to make calls within the current rules, make more rules? Is this a rule to clean up the game, or a rule to get more offense in the game? Need a lot more explaining before I'm convinced we need another rule.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:bequickdonthurry wrote:So, when refs are too chicken to make calls within the current rules, make more rules? Is this a rule to clean up the game, or a rule to get more offense in the game? Need a lot more explaining before I'm convinced we need another rule.
In my opinion, its to clean up the game. TOO many charges called in an area where you should not be able to take a charge. The semi-circle would help that and it could also be to prevent potential injuries. Players that take charges under the hoop (especially in a small gym where the wall is close to the floor) are risking a major head/neck injury in those situations. If a player knows that you can't take one within that semi-circle then I don't think they'll try to do so. (JMHO)
bequickdonthurry wrote: Also, zone defense is not allowed in the NBA.
bequickdonthurry wrote:Don't think we need the NBAs illegal defense rules at lower levels of ball either.
bequickdonthurry wrote:Don't think we need the NBAs illegal defense rules at lower levels of ball either.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:The semi-circle would help that and it could also be to prevent potential injuries. Players that take charges under the hoop (especially in a small gym where the wall is close to the floor) are risking a major head/neck injury in those situations.
bequickdonthurry wrote:Given the size and athletic ability of the NBA player, they can get to or reach the rim from quite a bit farther out than all but the elite high school players. This rule fits the NBA player, and many male college players. Does that really fit the average high school game, or even the women's college game? I don't think so and don't believe it will do anything to clean up the game.
classB4ever wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:The semi-circle would help that and it could also be to prevent potential injuries. Players that take charges under the hoop (especially in a small gym where the wall is close to the floor) are risking a major head/neck injury in those situations.
This is a good point Run, but I do believe that there will be less small gyms with this problem as time goes on.bequickdonthurry wrote:Given the size and athletic ability of the NBA player, they can get to or reach the rim from quite a bit farther out than all but the elite high school players. This rule fits the NBA player, and many male college players. Does that really fit the average high school game, or even the women's college game? I don't think so and don't believe it will do anything to clean up the game.
You gave a very good explanation above and would have to agree with you.
bequickdonthurry wrote:The defense is not allowed to do that now. If that happens, that is a block and should be called. That call can be made now without painting another line on the floor.
packers21 wrote:bequickdonthurry wrote:The defense is not allowed to do that now. If that happens, that is a block and should be called. That call can be made now without painting another line on the floor.
Big difference between not allowed and not being called. In my opinon the charge is the most controversial call in HS basketball, and this would be a big help to coaches, players and officials.
classB4ever wrote:packers21 wrote:bequickdonthurry wrote:The defense is not allowed to do that now. If that happens, that is a block and should be called. That call can be made now without painting another line on the floor.
Big difference between not allowed and not being called. In my opinon the charge is the most controversial call in HS basketball, and this would be a big help to coaches, players and officials.
You are absolutely correct. Seems to me though, it doesn't have to be that controversial. A very good ref taught me to look for certain things when making a decision on this call: 1. Does the offensive player get his gut past the defensive player's gut (basic)? 2. If the defensive player falls down, is he going down in the line of the play or to the side? But the most important thing he taught me, don't be afraid to make a "no call". Sometimes good defenders stop the drive, may get dislodged a bit, but as long as the offensive player didn't gain an advantage, let it go. Just don't think we need to add another rule just because it has worked in the NBA or college level. Different level of athlete as stated earlier. 2 cents.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:classB4ever wrote:packers21 wrote:bequickdonthurry wrote:The defense is not allowed to do that now. If that happens, that is a block and should be called. That call can be made now without painting another line on the floor.
Big difference between not allowed and not being called. In my opinon the charge is the most controversial call in HS basketball, and this would be a big help to coaches, players and officials.
You are absolutely correct. Seems to me though, it doesn't have to be that controversial. A very good ref taught me to look for certain things when making a decision on this call: 1. Does the offensive player get his gut past the defensive player's gut (basic)? 2. If the defensive player falls down, is he going down in the line of the play or to the side? But the most important thing he taught me, don't be afraid to make a "no call". Sometimes good defenders stop the drive, may get dislodged a bit, but as long as the offensive player didn't gain an advantage, let it go. Just don't think we need to add another rule just because it has worked in the NBA or college level. Different level of athlete as stated earlier. 2 cents.
Well I'm just getting sick and tired of officials calling charges when a player drives the lane, shoots the ball (floater, layup, etc.), and then makes contact with the player under the cylinder/backboard...and they wipe away the basket and call a charge. It has happened 6 times (off the top of my head) in games that I've watched this year.
toughD wrote:The thing about the semi-circle is that it's not that big. I coach 5th & 6th grade boys, and we practice at the local university where they have the circles on the floor. When these young boys are running layup drills, most often they take off from outside this circle when they go up for a layup. If you set up for a charge inside the circle, you are standing DIRECTLY under the hoop, and you've already given the offensive player a clear path to the basket. This is poor defense and you should not be rewarded for giving up an uncontested bucket then letting the offensive player run into you as they're coming down from the shot. I'm definitely infavor of implementing the semi-circles for HS ball.
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