The Schwab wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:btw MN added the arc as well this year...
Do you happen to know the measurements? Is it' 3' or 4'?
B-oldtimer wrote:I wish they would go back to old rules and start calling the charges. This has first come from NBA and then the college ranks this rule and its all for the big players in the game. My opinion it just makes for rougher game inside the paint if your bigger than defending player you can just shoulder block him out the way and score and if that doesn't happen you have the foul. The inside defender has no rights to stop a player once you get to the circle and hence offensive player is protected and there is no penalty for aggressive play. I would prefer that officials called the game close where contact was reduced which most fans today would hate but if it was called long enough and consistently enough would get back to game where quickness and speed would be more of asset versus size and strength. I believe if fans could see this style of basketball they would eventually see what I am meaning it would be more fast pace up and down the court game with lots of shooting and driving to the basket. I just think with the circle rule your getting more rougher game coming for high school basketball.
sportsnut5 wrote:I do not mind the circle and the rule itself. My problem with it is many of our officials guess if they do not see the placement of the secondary defender. I have had many officials come together discuss the call, and get it right. That is good officiating. In other instances, the officials do not communicate and the block/charge call becomes a guessing game. This is when coaches and fans go berserk. The wider angle view allows for the view of the contact and the placement of the defender. The official on the baseline does not have the luxury of that view, so having officials willing to communicate can alleviate many of the concerns I have with the rule.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:Primary defenders can still take a charge inside/on the arc; secondary defenders cannot and therefore the call would be a blocking foul.
Rivershark wrote:
How do you determine a primary and secondary defender in a zone offense?
Flip wrote:B-oldtimer wrote:I wish they would go back to old rules and start calling the charges. This has first come from NBA and then the college ranks this rule and its all for the big players in the game. My opinion it just makes for rougher game inside the paint if your bigger than defending player you can just shoulder block him out the way and score and if that doesn't happen you have the foul. The inside defender has no rights to stop a player once you get to the circle and hence offensive player is protected and there is no penalty for aggressive play. I would prefer that officials called the game close where contact was reduced which most fans today would hate but if it was called long enough and consistently enough would get back to game where quickness and speed would be more of asset versus size and strength. I believe if fans could see this style of basketball they would eventually see what I am meaning it would be more fast pace up and down the court game with lots of shooting and driving to the basket. I just think with the circle rule your getting more rougher game coming for high school basketball.
You don't understand the rule.
Rivershark wrote:It would be nice if this rule could be explained in plain English for the fans. Sometimes I wonder that between the 3 referees that each one would make the call differently and that neither could give the same explanation. It really takes away from the fun of the game when people have no understanding on why a call was made. I would like to see some video clips that explain why a call was or was not made. Seriously, nobody can really explain this rule.
Flip wrote:sportsnut5 wrote:I do not mind the circle and the rule itself. My problem with it is many of our officials guess if they do not see the placement of the secondary defender. I have had many officials come together discuss the call, and get it right. That is good officiating. In other instances, the officials do not communicate and the block/charge call becomes a guessing game. This is when coaches and fans go berserk. The wider angle view allows for the view of the contact and the placement of the defender. The official on the baseline does not have the luxury of that view, so having officials willing to communicate can alleviate many of the concerns I have with the rule.
Fans don't have a clue what a block or a charge is. They think anytime the defender falls down it should be a charge. Way too many charges called IMO. When in doubt call a block.
maddog1971 wrote:I like the rule and I would really like it quite a bit more if they actually would not call a foul on a defender that jumps straight up and down with his arms straight up and the offensive player makes the contact. I have seen it about 5 times this year with one player that is really tall. The little guys come flying in and he jumps straight up and they run into him and he gets called for the foul. I hate that.
maddog1971 wrote:I like the rule and I would really like it quite a bit more if they actually would not call a foul on a defender that jumps straight up and down with his arms straight up and the offensive player makes the contact. I have seen it about 5 times this year with one player that is really tall. The little guys come flying in and he jumps straight up and they run into him and he gets called for the foul. I hate that.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:maddog1971 wrote:I like the rule and I would really like it quite a bit more if they actually would not call a foul on a defender that jumps straight up and down with his arms straight up and the offensive player makes the contact. I have seen it about 5 times this year with one player that is really tall. The little guys come flying in and he jumps straight up and they run into him and he gets called for the foul. I hate that.
Verticality...shouldn’t be a foul if the arms don’t come down to attempt a block. Actually saw an offensive foul called on this type of play last night...thought it was 100% the correct call; fans never see it that way though (including the one yelling obscenities after the call)
maddog1971 wrote:Run4Fun2009 wrote:maddog1971 wrote:I like the rule and I would really like it quite a bit more if they actually would not call a foul on a defender that jumps straight up and down with his arms straight up and the offensive player makes the contact. I have seen it about 5 times this year with one player that is really tall. The little guys come flying in and he jumps straight up and they run into him and he gets called for the foul. I hate that.
Verticality...shouldn’t be a foul if the arms don’t come down to attempt a block. Actually saw an offensive foul called on this type of play last night...thought it was 100% the correct call; fans never see it that way though (including the one yelling obscenities after the call)
So what if the contact of the player in the mid-section cause the kids arms to come forward? That is the call that was being called the other night. The kids where jumping into him and making him lean forward a little so his arms where coming down some.
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