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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby grlsbballfan » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:11 pm

balla45 wrote:Every girl I have talked to that played in the EDC tells me Roehrich is the best. I have not seen Farroh play, and would love to, but I hear Roehrich every time.

I quote: "Farroh is definitely good, but she does nothing special to earn her points. She is just bigger than everybody." I am not saying this is my personal opinion, as I am amazed by her stats, but I have not seen her play.

In Roehrich's favor, she is probably top 15 in every statistical category in the EDC, and will have lead it in scoring 3 consecutive seasons. She won GPOY last year as a junior. I see her winning Miss Basketball. Her career and senior season have been phenonemal, and she wins.


Not sure about this year but last year she was in the top 10 in every statistical category, only player to do so.
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby annierebecca4252 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:16 pm

I don't know about how many nba threes she hit in the state tourney last year...but I do know that I learned she can't play in big games from the last two state tournaments. Teams win championships. Team players should be considered the best players. I haven't seen the BEST argument in favor of Farroh yet: that her TEAM is better than South's. Has won more games. In short: she makes her teammates better. Roehrich doesn't.
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby soccer09 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:34 pm

As my post articulates, she is in the top 10 in every category only if you ignore the categories that include how many of her shots she hits and how many of her threes she hits. Leading in ppg doesn't necessarily mean she's the best scorer- again, Farroh shoots 65%. No one else is even close. That means Farroh is scoring close to the same amount of points on FAR fewer shots.

As my post also demonstrated, Farroh is in top 10 in everything but assists. Do Roehrichs 3 and a half per game make her definitively better??

Also, I'm not saying Roehrichs's shooting 0% on her long-range threes, just that if I were playing against South I'd be happy every time she took one because it's a lower percentage shot than just about anything else their offense will produce.
As to attributing her ability to just "being bigger"- that's a part of basketball. Height is an advantage. If Roehrich were 5'1 instead of , I don't know her exact height, but let's say 5'10, it would negatively impact her stats too. It doesn't matter who "looks" more skilled, it matters who produces. And, definitively for this season at least, if we drafted everyone in the league I'd rather have Farroh with the #1 pick.
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby scoobyx2 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:34 pm

Very good points are being made in Class A. I am now leaning towards Shauna Long from Standing Rock. She is about 5'1" and is unstoppable offensively, and will lead her team to another State appearance.
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby balla45 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:40 pm

annierebecca4252 wrote:I don't know about how many nba threes she hit in the state tourney last year...but I do know that I learned she can't play in big games from the last two state tournaments. Teams win championships. Team players should be considered the best players. I haven't seen the BEST argument in favor of Farroh yet: that her TEAM is better than South's. Has won more games. In short: she makes her teammates better. Roehrich doesn't.


I don't like your argument at all.

Farroh should be Miss Basketball because her team is better than South this year?

Roehrich can't play in big games?

Roehrich played in 2 state championship games. Has Farroh played in a state tournament?
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby annierebecca4252 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:09 pm

balla45 wrote:
annierebecca4252 wrote:I don't know about how many nba threes she hit in the state tourney last year...but I do know that I learned she can't play in big games from the last two state tournaments. Teams win championships. Team players should be considered the best players. I haven't seen the BEST argument in favor of Farroh yet: that her TEAM is better than South's. Has won more games. In short: she makes her teammates better. Roehrich doesn't.


I don't like your argument at all.

Farroh should be Miss Basketball because her team is better than South this year?

Roehrich can't play in big games?

Roehrich played in 2 state championship games. Has Farroh played in a state tournament?


Roehrich has played poorly in 2 state championship games. But that isn't what I am getting at for the year's Miss Basketball award.

I think if you look at the rosters, in fact Roehrich has MORE help than Farroh does. Between Fisher, Diederich, Felch, Koenig, and Rydell South's next five is better than Central's next five (Fee, Lindsay, Hammer, Hammer, Fennell).

Therefore Farroh adds more to her team than Roehrich. Miss Basketball should go to the player who makes her team better.

As for Long, I am completely ignorant. Wish I could see her play sounds like she is very good!
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby balla45 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:13 pm

I think Miss Basketball should go to the best overall player, that is where we differ.
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby annierebecca4252 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:16 pm

But what if I said that I think the best overall player is the player that does more for their team, i.e. make their team better?
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby balla45 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:18 pm

I would agree that the best overall player does a lot for their team. Roehrich leads her team in scoring, rebounds, assists, blocks, and is second in steals.
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby annierebecca4252 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:33 pm

And Farroh leads her team in scoring, rebounding, blocks and steals. Stats is a toss-up, and the fact that Farroh is winning is the tie-break. Especially since the team around her is not as good as the team around Roehrich.

And Roehrich is third on her team in steals.
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby soccer09 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:35 pm

I'll once again add that FG% is something being ignored in the pro-roehrich commenter's points.
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby annierebecca4252 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:39 pm

And just how dominant Farroh has been rebounding...anybody know what the record is for rpg in a season? She has got to be close, if not there.
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:41 pm

annierebecca4252 wrote:And just how dominant Farroh has been rebounding...anybody know what the record is for rpg in a season? She has got to be close, if not there.


Well she is the NEW Class A CAREER leader for Rebounding
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby balla45 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:41 pm

Roehrich plays guard. Farroh plays post. Farroh should have a higher field goal percentage.

Team around Farroh has a lot of experienced players. Am I wrong? Roehrich has Fisher. Everyone else is new. Again, all of the former EDC players I have talked to say that Roehrich is better. Roehrich consistently wins every award over Farroh. I don't see that changing.

And blocks and steals are usually listed by totals, not per game, so Roehrich is second on her team in steals. Fisher missed two games and is averaging more per game though.
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby annierebecca4252 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:43 pm

soccer09 wrote:I'll once again add that FG% is something being ignored in the pro-roehrich commenter's points.


Roehrich has attempted close to 100 shots more than Farroh...her points/shot is 1.06 and Farroh's is 1.64. Both are good, but Farroh's efficiency is off the charts.
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Re: Miss Basketball

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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby soccer09 » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:36 pm

Good to link to the stats. It's also not just that she's a post that her FG% is higher... She's #1 in the EDC in all FG% (so obviously ahead of both All posts and all guards.) In addition, several guards post higher percentages than Roehrich, including at #10 Alysa Dehne shooting 45.9%, so the argument guards have to shoot a lower percentage doesn't change the fact that she's not tops there either.
R is definitely an amazing player. Any team'd be glad to have her. But Farroh's the number 1.
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby basketballnut » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:40 pm

You both make good points. Both are great players. Either one would be a good choice.
I don't think South's other four players are better than Central's. Ask Mr. Flaagan. I saw Central cruise to a victory against the Bruins in Grand Forks. I'm told Fee has been one of the top players in the state with her quickness, shooting and defense, Lindsay does a great job handling the ball. They both do a great job getting the ball to Farroh. Courtney Hammer can chip in once in a while with streaks and Fennell is young but solid.
I know it was one game, but I've been following the statistics in the Forum and the Herald. Fisher is good for sure. I've seen her light it up
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby bruins44 » Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:02 am

South does not have better talent than Central! The only other player South has that is legit is Fisher, they have been playing without any post players all year since Wellentin went down before the season started, Roerhich and Fisher have to do everything for them or they lose, they have no bench so the starters have to play the whole game. Name me another team with their record (12-5) with no post game, Farroh is a great player but Roerhich is the best player and does more for her team than any other player in the state.
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby annierebecca4252 » Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:28 am

Those rebound numbers for Farroh are just so dominant...She does that better than Roehrich scores or passes. The stats bear that out.

I have a question about this award though...Is it supposed to be based more on a single YEAR, or more on a player's CAREER...and would that make a difference?

I would also like to hear more about the Class B players like Long.
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby Rich_2999 » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:32 pm

All the players listed are great players and each well deserving of the Miss Basketball award.

Though that is a good question what determines if a player is worthy of the award; is it stats, how good your senior season is going, lifetime achievements, do you better the team and players around you or is it who has the best media coverage.

There are only two ways of knowing if a player has really improved a team.
1. How does the team fair without her the following season but the problem with this conclusion is that it is after the fact.
2. How the team was previous seasons before the player entered the lineup.

Since I am from Bismarck area I really don’t know too much about the EDC or follow it too closely. But these are a few things I do know.

Shauna Long is a stud.. I always knew where standing rock was because I regularly made trips to the casino. But never realized they had girls high school team until she entered the picture. I mean this team has made the state tournament the last 2-3 years since she has been a part of that team.

Belcourt where is that anyway.. I had to fricken google it.. I’ve been in the Bismarck area quite a few years. And now this belcourt team has been a team to reckon with for the last couple seasons who was previously unknown.. I really don’t know too much history about this team.. But they are out there now. I regularly attend the BHS and Century games and this Sasha Golus is a beast.. Just this year at BHS and Century this Golus put up somewhere around 30 on both of them while being double to triple teamed.. I even saw these teams drop 4 people down to cover her when she is working paint.

Fargo has seemed to always been a contender.

Central not too sure of but they seemed to always be in the upper half of the pack

As for stats..
Everybody knows Shauna Long can score and shoot the three ball.
Roehrick I think has lead the EDC in scoring the last 2 years and has had great team seasons.
Farroh’s stats or unreal this year.. almost kind of hard to believe.
Golus had lead the WDA in scoring the last 3 years and also rebounding I believe.

As for media.. Shauna long is in the paper here quite a bit in Bismarck.. and it seems as though Farroh and Roehrick get their share of media attention.. Golus I really don’t hear too much about her unless they are in town playing.
Here is my rating based on these areas from 1 being the best to 3 being the worst

Team Improvement; LifeStats; Media; Total
Farroh 2; 2; 1; 5
Golus 1; 1; 3; 5
Long 1; 1; 2; 4
Roehrick 3; 1; 1; 5

It seems to be pretty much a toss-up with Long having a little bit of the edge.

Although I think the media should be the lesser factor of the three areas which would put Long and Golus at the top.
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby VALLEYBALL » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:15 pm

Farroh far more deserving !!
Better all around player.
Roehrich shouldn't even be considered, her attitude stinks !!
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby hoopster1 » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:35 pm

Farroh's numbers are ridiculous, however, she is such a quiet presence on the floor. By that I mean, she does her job night in night out, doesn't get worked up ever, no attitude shows no change in emotion from an off night to a great night. Next thing you know she has 30 points 20 rebounds and 7 blocks. It seems so effortless. She won't even reveal where she is playing college until the season because she doesn't want attention to be taken away from the team. I think her unbelievable modesty could hurt her when it comes to the media.
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby Rich_2999 » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:49 pm

hoopster1 wrote:Farroh's numbers are ridiculous, however, she is such a quiet presence on the floor. By that I mean, she does her job night in night out, doesn't get worked up ever, no attitude shows no change in emotion from an off night to a great night. Next thing you know she has 30 points 20 rebounds and 7 blocks. It seems so effortless. She won't even reveal where she is playing college until the season because she doesn't want attention to be taken away from the team. I think her unbelievable modesty could hurt her when it comes to the media.


Hoopster1.. That is a very great compliment to Farroh.. I have never had the opportunity to see her play but she seems like a real joy to watch..

And if I may the characteristics of Farroh you have described.. Would be the exact representation for Golus also.
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Re: Miss Basketball

Postby annierebecca4252 » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:52 pm

I hope they make it to state this year. Being from Fargo I haven't seen her play yet.
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