Predictions on tonight's Mandan - Jamestown Game

[Eminence]

You have to wonder though. The foul count was 29 to 12 with Collins only being able to play about a 1/3 of the game. Might be some home cooking going on. I remember last year in Hockey, Jamestown vrs BHS when again they had some home cooking resulting in BHS suspension. I would read too much into a first game loss and the fouls being so lopsided. Take away 17 fouls and 15 freethrows and there is a much different game.

With that said, it does show that Mandan doesn't have near the bench they had in the past. Only 3 points from their bench. They definetly don't have the fire power they had in the past. While Jamestown had significant help off the bench. They are much deeper than Mandan.

I was thinking along the same lines when I read the box score. Hard to know if it was home cooking or if you just had some refs who actually called fouls on Mandan's press and weren't just intimidated by the "MANDAN" mystique. I'm not sure I agree on the benches being much different though. In the Jamestown paper it said their main 3 players scored 53 of the 66 points. Those 3 main players are very good though - Morgan Dale is as good a player as anyone and she commands a lot of defensive attention.

I agree, Mandan press can add more fouls but 29 to only 12 is a little excessive. It's easy to increase your shooting percentage if you can get a foul called 29 times. I think it actually hurts at team when it's so lopside because you don't get to see what you need to work on. There won't be an easy whistle when you are playing BHS or Mandan in the WDA or at home. 23 of Jamestown's 66 points were freethrows. That's 35% of your score.

Where are you getting your box score....This was in the Jamestown sun..

Mandan — ShanLee Taken Alive 15, Ali Collins 14, Marlee Finley 17, Skylie Luger 2, Paige Jensen 6, Brittaney Zander 2. Totals: 21-55 FG, 8-14 FT, Three-pointers: (Finley 4, Taken Alive 3), 24 Rebounds (Finley 7), 11 assists (Finley 4), 20 Turnovers, 22 Fouls.

Jamestown — Beth McMillan 2, Jenny Schuchard 14, Morgan Dale 22, Amber Ramlo 14, Kara Wahl 7, Leah Jystad 4. Totals: 22-45 FG, 22-30 FT, Three-pointers: (Schuchard 2, Wahl 1), 29 Rebounds (Dale 11), 20 assists (Dale 5), 24 Turnovers, 13 Fouls.

22 Fouls is really not that many...only one over double bonus each half...Mandan is not as big so are going to foul more down low than block shots...Maybe Mandan needs to be more aggressive offensively to get more free throw attempts...Looks like they were content with taking the outside shot...Probably also contributes to the discrepency in shooting percentage. Quit making excuses and say good game Jamestown, better luck next time Mandan...next time keep your hands off!!

WOW, take a pill. It was in the Bismarck Tribune. LooK I'm not saying that Jamestown doesn't deserve to win. They have a very good team. I'm just saying that there is a lot of HOME COOKING when it comes to sports and I think it hurts a team in the long run. Remember BHS vrs Jamestown in Hockey. Fight broke out and there was suspensions. Remember BHS vrs Minot in soccer when BHS had 13 yellow/red cards to Minots 1 and the ref was a PARENT! What happened to these teams in the end! Its adults who are doing the cooking, not the kids. The Jamestown girls I sure played hard and well deserve their victory. Your missing the point.

CLASS A GIRLS BASKETBALL

JAMESTOWN 66, MANDAN 57

JAMESTOWN - Morgan Dale tossed in 21 points and Amber Ramlo and Jenny Schuchard added 17 and 14, respectively, as the Jamestown Blue Jays stunned five-time defending state champion Mandan 66-57 Tuesday night.

The Blue Jays, who led 30-23 at halftime, got it done with some sharp shooting from the floor (20 of 36) and the free throw line (23 of 29). Mandan was 21-for-59 from the field and 8-for-14 from the charity stripe.

Jamestown also held a 36-25 advantage on the boards.

Marlee Finley led the Braves with 17 points and seven rebounds.

MANDAN (57): Marlee Finley 17, ShanLee Taken Alive 15, Ali Collins 14, Paige Jensen 6, Brittaney Zander 1, Samantha Meyer 2, Skylei Luger 2. Totals 21-59 8-14 57.

JAMESTOWN (66): Morgan Dale 21, Amber Ramlo 17, Jenny Schuchard 14, Beth McMillan 2, Kara Wahl 8, Leah Jystad 4. Totals 20-36 23-29 66.

Halftime: Jamestown 30, Mandan 23.

3-pointers: Mandan 7 (Finley 4, Taken Alive 3), Jamestown 3 (Schuchard 2, Wahl 1). Fouls: Mandan 29, Jamestown 12. Fouled out: Mandan, Zander, Collins. Rebounds: Mandan 25 (Finley 7), Jamestown 36 (Dale 10). Turnovers: Mandan 23, Jamestown 31.

Records: Mandan 0-1 West Region; Jamestown 1-0.

[Eminence]

Here's the stat's from Jamestown's WDA site: Fouls 29 to 12. They definetly outrebounded the Braves. They have 41 - 28 and the difference was in defensive rebounds. Jamestown bench outscored the Braves 12 - 3.

CyberSports for Basketball - Season Box Score
Jamestown High School Blue Jays
Name G FG FG% 3Pt 3Pt% FT FT% PTS Avg ORB DRB TR Avg PF AST TO BS ST DA MIN
Morgan Dale 1 5/11 45.5 0/0 0.00 11/14 78.6 21 21.0 2 7 9 9.00 3 6 4 0 2 0 35:03
Madey Hornung 1 0/0 0.00 0/2 0.00 0/0 0.00 0 0.00 0 2 2 2.00 3 2 3 0 0 0 30:13
Amy Lick 0 0/0 0.00 0/0 0.00 0/0 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 DNP
Beth McMillan 1 1/1 100 0/0 0.00 0/0 0.00 2 2.00 0 2 2 2.00 0 2 5 0 1 0 15:30
Kara Nygaard 0 0/0 0.00 0/0 0.00 0/0 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 DNP
Brooke Winson 1 0/1 0.00 0/0 0.00 0/0 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 1 0 0 0 0:38
Molly Slaby 0 0/0 0.00 0/0 0.00 0/0 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 DNP
Sam Giesler 0 0/0 0.00 0/0 0.00 0/0 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 DNP
Kristi Meikle 0 0/0 0.00 0/0 0.00 0/0 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 DNP
Alex Hanson 0 0/0 0.00 0/0 0.00 0/0 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 DNP
Kelsi Manley 0 0/0 0.00 0/0 0.00 0/0 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 DNP
Leah Jystad 1 0/2 0.00 0/0 0.00 4/4 100 4 4.00 0 1 1 1.00 0 2 1 0 0 0 8:21
Kara Wahl 1 1/4 25.0 1/1 100 3/6 50.0 8 8.00 0 4 4 4.00 2 2 7 0 2 0 25:27
Jenny Schuchard 1 3/8 37.5 2/2 100 2/2 100 14 14.0 3 1 4 4.00 0 2 4 0 1 0 33:58
Amber Ramlo 1 7/11 63.6 0/0 0.00 3/4 75.0 17 17.0 0 7 7 7.00 3 1 1 0 2 0 30:44
Team 7 5 12 1
Totals 1 17/38 44.7 3/5 60.0 23/30 76.7 66 66.0 12 29 41 41.0 11 17 27 0 8 0

G FG FG% 3Pt 3Pt% FT FT% PTS Avg ORB DRB TR Avg PF AST TO BS ST DA
Opponents 1 14/42 33.3 7/16 43.8 8/14 57.1 57 57.0 12 16 28 28.0 29 13 18 0 19 0


SHOOTING Blue Jays Opponents
Field Goal% 46.5 36.2
2Pt Goal% 44.7 33.3
3Pt Goal% 60.0 43.8
Free Throw % 76.7 57.1

BALL HANDLING
Assists 17 (17.0) 13 (13.0)
Turnovers 27 (27.0) 18 (18.0)
Steals 8 (8.0) 19 (19.0)
Def. Assists 0 (0.0) 0 (0.0)
BH Error% 31.8 21.2

OTHER
Off. Possessions 85 (85.0) 85 (85.0)
Pts per Possession 0.78 0.67
Def. Efficiency 55.3% 50.6%
REBOUNDING Blue Jays Opponents
Total Rebound % 59.4 40.6
Off. Rebound % 42.9 29.3
Def. Rebound % 70.7 57.1
Total Rebounds 41 (41.0) 28 (28.0)
Off. Rebounds 12 (12.0) 12 (12.0)
Def. Rebounds 29 (29.0) 16 (16.0)
Team Rebounds 12 (12.0) 6 (6.0)

SCORING
Total Points 66 (66.0) 57 (57.0)
Pts off Turnovers 18 (18.0) 20 (20.0)
2nd Effort Pts 4 (4.0) 6 (6.0)
Pts off Bench 12 (12.0) 3 (3.0)
3Pt Points 9 (9.0) 21 (21.0)
Free Throw Pts 23 (23.0) 8 (8.0)

[baller24]

You have to wonder though. The foul count was 29 to 12 with Collins only being able to play about a 1/3 of the game. Might be some home cooking going on. I remember last year in Hockey, Jamestown vrs BHS when again they had some home cooking resulting in BHS suspension. I would read too much into a first game loss and the fouls being so lopsided. Take away 17 fouls and 15 freethrows and there is a much different game.

With that said, it does show that Mandan doesn't have near the bench they had in the past. Only 3 points from their bench. They definetly don't have the fire power they had in the past. While Jamestown had significant help off the bench. They are much deeper than Mandan.

ther was absolutley no homecooking going on... i aws at the gameand the refs were making the same calls both ways. There was some good calls by refs and then there were some bad calls for refs but all and all it was pretty fair

[cdub1]

You have to wonder though. The foul count was 29 to 12 with Collins only being able to play about a 1/3 of the game. Might be some home cooking going on. I remember last year in Hockey, Jamestown vrs BHS when again they had some home cooking resulting in BHS suspension. I would read too much into a first game loss and the fouls being so lopsided. Take away 17 fouls and 15 freethrows and there is a much different game.

With that said, it does show that Mandan doesn't have near the bench they had in the past. Only 3 points from their bench. They definetly don't have the fire power they had in the past. While Jamestown had significant help off the bench. They are much deeper than Mandan.

ther was absolutley no homecooking going on... i aws at the gameand the refs were making the same calls both ways. There was some good calls by refs and then there were some bad calls for refs but all and all it was pretty fair

i also wuz at da game and i cant say i agree wit u overall the reffing wuznt horrible but many of the calls against collins at least 3 of the 5 were questionable and the last one wuz a very interesting call and i dont think it should have been called a charge

[EDC]

From what I have seen of Mandan's pressure defense they get by with a bunch of bumping and reaching in that some refs would call fouls. Sounds like the refs called fouls on this and Mandan didn't adjust.

[cdub1]

From what I have seen of Mandan's pressure defense they get by with a bunch of bumping and reaching in that some refs would call fouls. Sounds like the refs called fouls on this and Mandan didn't adjust.

collins had 4 offensive fouls her defense didnt matter

[EDC]

From what I have seen of Mandan's pressure defense they get by with a bunch of bumping and reaching in that some refs would call fouls. Sounds like the refs called fouls on this and Mandan didn't adjust.

collins had 4 offensive fouls her defense didnt matter

Getting 4 offensive fouls still means Collins didn't adjust to the reffing. 4 offensive fouls by one person is very rare. I don't think I have ever been at a game that one player did that. She must have been trying so hard! But I guess adjust or sit.

[Deuce]

I think Collins only had 3 offensive. 1 was on a rebound, 1 was on a loose ball and 3 were player controlled. I only saw the first half but on Collins 2nd foul, she took a dribble to the lane, crossed over with a backup step to shoot the jumper and Hornung just fell down. But as far as home cooking goes, Jamestown has nothing on the Bismarck schools. Either way it doesn't matter. Its the opening game of a 20 game season and what's going to matter is March. Both of these two teams will be there at state.

[Eminence]

I think Collins only had 3 offensive. 1 was on a rebound, 1 was on a loose ball and 3 were player controlled. I only saw the first half but on Collins 2nd foul, she took a dribble to the lane, crossed over with a backup step to shoot the jumper and Hornung just fell down. But as far as home cooking goes, Jamestown has nothing on the Bismarck schools. Either way it doesn't matter. Its the opening game of a 20 game season and what's going to matter is March. Both of these two teams will be there at state.

Oh, I agree that both the teams including BHS will make it to state. Home cooking happens in Mandan also. Let's not just pick on Jamestown. It happens in all sports. My point was that teams that have calls that are lopsided, especially early on, hurts them in the long run because it doesn't expose the areas you need to work on. You can bet Mandan will be making corrections but when they play again in the WDA, and the calls are closer, will Jamestown know where their weakness is?

I wasn't at the game but I heard that the final 2 charges, they were running side by side, then Hornung pulled Collins jersey and they fell sideways. ?? Who knows though, maybe Collins dipped her shoulder or used her elbow. I've never seen where one player has taken 5 charges in a game. Could happen but it's definetly rare. But that is only 5 of the 29 fouls. 29 - 12 = 17 difference in fouls and definetly can change or influence a game.

[Eminence]

I think Collins only had 3 offensive. 1 was on a rebound, 1 was on a loose ball and 3 were player controlled. I only saw the first half but on Collins 2nd foul, she took a dribble to the lane, crossed over with a backup step to shoot the jumper and Hornung just fell down. But as far as home cooking goes, Jamestown has nothing on the Bismarck schools. Either way it doesn't matter. Its the opening game of a 20 game season and what's going to matter is March. Both of these two teams will be there at state.

Oh, I agree that both the teams including BHS will make it to state. Home cooking happens in Mandan also. Let's not just pick on Jamestown. It happens in all sports. My point was that teams that have calls that are lopsided, especially early on, hurts them in the long run because it doesn't expose the areas you need to work on. You can bet Mandan will be making corrections but when they play again in the WDA, and the calls are closer, will Jamestown know where their weakness is?

I wasn't at the game but I heard that the final 2 charges, they were running side by side, then Hornung pulled Collins jersey and they fell sideways. ?? Who knows though, maybe Collins dipped her shoulder or used her elbow. I've never seen where one player has taken 5 charges in a game. Could happen but it's definetly rare. But that is only 5 of the 29 fouls. 29 - 12 = 17 difference in fouls and definetly can change or influence a game.

It just goes to show you that teams that set up wins early on will pay for it in the end Collins was unbelievable this game. They did not have an answer for her or the rest of the Mandan team.