Xfactor wrote:Langstaff won because voters looked at his scoring numbers and because Werner wasn't one of the stronger class A candidates the past few years. I think Langstaff deserved Mr. Basketball, I'm just saying voters probably didn't see him play, they just looked at the stat line.
I have to say that Langstaff is by far the most overrated player in the state.
Flip wrote:Xfactor wrote:Langstaff won because voters looked at his scoring numbers and because Werner wasn't one of the stronger class A candidates the past few years. I think Langstaff deserved Mr. Basketball, I'm just saying voters probably didn't see him play, they just looked at the stat line.
I'm surprised you said that considering you also said this last year.I have to say that Langstaff is by far the most overrated player in the state.
Xfactor wrote:balla45 I really respect your opinion and I normally agree with you, but I disagree on this topic. Hagler wouldn't have played on a good class A team his 8th grade year, but would've on some teams that weren't as good. Jacobson might have too if he wasn't at a good class A school. And Kroeplin was not as good as Hagler their 8th grade year they played on the same AAU team just ask people who watched them.
As far as close games, I know Shanley had a lot of games that weren't close this year, but still a lot of them weren't blowouts. I'm sure Jacobson averaged more minutes than Hagler.
Jacobson should not be in the same consideration of Hanstad, Boschee, etc. He is not the same caliber as those guys who had the capability to step into a D1 program and make a difference right away. Hagler is also better than any of the players you said he was in the same group as. Hagler or Jacobson would've won Mr. Basketball any of the past years since Dufault.
Jacobson is going D1 over Hagler simply because he is 6'6 and Hagler is about 6'1 or 6'2. If Hagler chooses to go to a Juco for a couple years and gets stronger then I believe he could play at NDSU as well. Mr. Basketball isn't judged upon where you're going to college. Hagler's skill set just as good. The only thing Jacobson has him in is rebounding, but Hagler is a very good rebounder for a point guard.
Basically, both are great players, but I think Hagler was overlooked because there's no media coverage in his area compared to Jacobson playing in Fargo. Anyone from the area knows Hagler is much better than Nate Mertens, who is also a great player and worthy finalist, but he finished in a close 3rd because they look at his numbers.
Xfactor wrote:balla45 I really respect your opinion and I normally agree with you, but I disagree on this topic. Hagler wouldn't have played on a good class A team his 8th grade year, but would've on some teams that weren't as good. Jacobson might have too if he wasn't at a good class A school. And Kroeplin was not as good as Hagler their 8th grade year they played on the same AAU team just ask people who watched them.
As far as close games, I know Shanley had a lot of games that weren't close this year, but still a lot of them weren't blowouts. I'm sure Jacobson averaged more minutes than Hagler.
Jacobson should not be in the same consideration of Hanstad, Boschee, etc. He is not the same caliber as those guys who had the capability to step into a D1 program and make a difference right away. Hagler is also better than any of the players you said he was in the same group as. Hagler or Jacobson would've won Mr. Basketball any of the past years since Dufault.
Jacobson is going D1 over Hagler simply because he is 6'6 and Hagler is about 6'1 or 6'2. If Hagler chooses to go to a Juco for a couple years and gets stronger then I believe he could play at NDSU as well. Mr. Basketball isn't judged upon where you're going to college. Hagler's skill set just as good. The only thing Jacobson has him in is rebounding, but Hagler is a very good rebounder for a point guard.
Basically, both are great players, but I think Hagler was overlooked because there's no media coverage in his area compared to Jacobson playing in Fargo. Anyone from the area knows Hagler is much better than Nate Mertens, who is also a great player and worthy finalist, but he finished in a close 3rd because they look at his numbers.
Xfactor wrote:I haven't seen Collins play so I can't talk about him. I could be wrong but I'm assuming the D1 coach was talking about Kroeplin. I could see why a D1 coach would go after Kroeplin because of his athleticism. He has a lot of upside, but right now he's not the same level as Hagler. And where a player is going to college shouldn't be a factor in choosing Mr. Basketball.
Wolves65, your comment is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, A and B are different levels, but Hagler would've started on ANY team in class A as a sophomore, junior, and senior that's not even up for debate. As a freshman, he would've started for Shanley, just as Jacobson did. Hagler started on a North Star team as a freshman that probably would've beat Shanley that year.
I've seen both Mertens and Hagler play many times and Hagler is the better player. It doesn't help Mertens that he didn't have much of a team, but he put these numbers up in mostly losing efforts, many of them not close. Hagler didn't have as much scoring around him last year and he put up 28 ppg. He still saw a lot of double teams and chasers last year and this year. Mertens is a great player, but not as good as Hagler.
I think Jacobson is in the same category as Hanstad, but he has to get quicker before he can contribute at NDSU. Hanstad was able to contribute his freshman year with Boise State. Jacobson might have more upside though.
End90 wrote:Xfactor wrote:I haven't seen Collins play so I can't talk about him. I could be wrong but I'm assuming the D1 coach was talking about Kroeplin. I could see why a D1 coach would go after Kroeplin because of his athleticism. He has a lot of upside, but right now he's not the same level as Hagler. And where a player is going to college shouldn't be a factor in choosing Mr. Basketball.
Wolves65, your comment is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, A and B are different levels, but Hagler would've started on ANY team in class A as a sophomore, junior, and senior that's not even up for debate. As a freshman, he would've started for Shanley, just as Jacobson did. Hagler started on a North Star team as a freshman that probably would've beat Shanley that year.
I've seen both Mertens and Hagler play many times and Hagler is the better player. It doesn't help Mertens that he didn't have much of a team, but he put these numbers up in mostly losing efforts, many of them not close. Hagler didn't have as much scoring around him last year and he put up 28 ppg. He still saw a lot of double teams and chasers last year and this year. Mertens is a great player, but not as good as Hagler.
I think Jacobson is in the same category as Hanstad, but he has to get quicker before he can contribute at NDSU. Hanstad was able to contribute his freshman year with Boise State. Jacobson might have more upside though.
Xfactor, you have your opinion, but in my your opinion your wrong. Hagler is a very good player, on the level of Kroeplin and Mertens, and he has had a great career. However, to say that "Hagler would've started on any Class A team as a sophomore, junior, and senior that's not even up for debate" is wrong. Wolves65 comment was NOT "ridiculous," as you called it.
Xfactor wrote:I'm saying he has a college body and right now Hagler doesn't, which is why I is the reason Hagler can't play D1 basketball as of right now. I was strictly talking about college basketball not high school. As far as this year, they vote before Class A state tourney. Jacobson won a championship because he played well and so did his teammates. Hagler's played well in the game they lost, but some of his teammates didn't. As far as numbers, the two were pretty similar, but AJ plays more minutes. And as far as competition, I know class A is better competition, but North Star played a tougher schedule than any other class B team. I understand anyone would pick AJ, I'm just saying I would have picked Hagler and I think saying AJ with little to no argument is a bit absurd.
Xfactor wrote:What hurt Hagler is that statistically, at least with ppg, he probably didn't have as good of a year this year as he did last year. The problem was he had better teammates this year who had to get their shots up too. He didn't take as many shots as he should've at the beginning of the year, he also had a bad sprained ankle that sidelined him for a few games and he still wasn't 100% by the end of the year. I think if they would have made state and he put on a very good performance there then he would've had a much better chance at Mr. Basketball. However, they had a poor game and Four Winds played well to pull off the upset in the region championship, but Hagler still played very well and had 30 points that game. It just doesn't help him that most of the voters didn't get to watch him this year.
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