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Should it be illegal for parents to smoke in their home when they have children living there?

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Re: Smoking?

Postby baseball18 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:59 pm

I am just sick of the gov't telling us what is right and wrong for us. And what we can and can't do... I am sick of these "nanny" laws. The anti-smoking agenda has gone way too far. They completely exaggerate how bad second-hand smoke really is, my parents both were around smoking parents in their homes for about 18-19 years and they're 55 and 50 years old right now and have no problems whatsoever. That may not be the best example but second-hand smoke does not kill as much as the media says it does. There are other things that are worse than second-hand smoke... should we ban cars because more people die in car accidents than second-hand smoke or even smoking for that matter? NO! If you smoke in your home with children well I guess that's your fault, cuz you could easily go outside, but it should never be taken away from our PRIVATE homes. It's called personal responsibility.
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Re: Smoking?

Postby balla45 » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:00 am

All right private homes. Until a person is 18, they are "required by law" to not run away from home. So how can a person under the age of 18 be "responsible" for his/her health?

I shouldn't have the right to put my kids in danger.
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Re: Smoking?

Postby alexanderthegreat » Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:44 am

I have to say that there is nothing that makes me more mad than when i see a parent smoking around their kids. I know that they aren't my kids and therefore none of my business, but it's like you're taking your kid out of the game before they even have a chance to play. Why take a chance on creating future health problems? Personally, I wouldn't consider it a bad thing if a no-smoking with children law were passed.
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Re: Smoking?

Postby Saucesauer » Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:05 am

alexanderthegreat wrote:I have to say that there is nothing that makes me more mad than when i see a parent smoking around their kids. I know that they aren't my kids and therefore none of my business, but it's like you're taking your kid out of the game before they even have a chance to play. Why take a chance on creating future health problems? Personally, I wouldn't consider it a bad thing if a no-smoking with children law were passed.


Omg dude spare me, I know a ton of kids that smoke and are some of the stand out athletes in the state this year some of which are even juniors!!! I also know from personal experience smoking has absolutly nothing to do with athletic performance! There are a couple of kids I know from my junior year that were seniors at other schools in hockey (and I know this isnt the topic) but they had their best games smoking EDIT* before the game and we would talk throughout the season and they said "Dude I played sooo bad today..I hate road games its so tough to smoke before a game" Honestly if you take away a persons RIGHTS to smoke whats next our right to vote, chew, drink, breath, eat....how bout we just go communist because that is more or less what you are pushing for!
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Re: Smoking?

Postby Hinsa » Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:08 pm

Saucesauer wrote:
alexanderthegreat wrote:I have to say that there is nothing that makes me more mad than when i see a parent smoking around their kids. I know that they aren't my kids and therefore none of my business, but it's like you're taking your kid out of the game before they even have a chance to play. Why take a chance on creating future health problems? Personally, I wouldn't consider it a bad thing if a no-smoking with children law were passed.


Omg dude spare me, I know a ton of kids that smoke and are some of the stand out athletes in the state this year some of which are even juniors!!! I also know from personal experience smoking has absolutly nothing to do with athletic performance! There are a couple of kids I know from my junior year that were seniors at other schools in hockey (and I know this isnt the topic) but they had their best games smoking EDIT* before the game and we would talk throughout the season and they said "Dude I played sooo bad today..I hate road games its so tough to smoke before a game" Honestly if you take away a persons RIGHTS to smoke whats next our right to vote, chew, drink, breath, eat....how bout we just go communist because that is more or less what you are pushing for!


Saucesauer, your personal experience overrides every clinical study done in the last 50 years??? It is a proven fact Jack that no matter how good you are, you would have better lung capacity and stamina if you don't smoke than if you do.
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Re: Smoking?

Postby alexanderthegreat » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:49 pm

First of all, I said nothing about breathing in second-hand smoke making you a terrible athlete. Obviously, there are plenty of studies that prove the harmfulness of second-hand smoke, so it's not going to help your athletic abilities.

By saying "take them out of the game, before they have a chance to play" i meant that you are severely impacting your child's chances of living a normal, healthy life. To me, as a parent, it should be your utmost priority to make sure your child has every chance at success in life.
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Re: Smoking?

Postby alexanderthegreat » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:50 pm

And no, i am not a parent myself. I just believe that parents should be held to a certain standard.
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Re: Smoking?

Postby balla45 » Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:04 pm

Saucesauer, are you trying to say that because some people are good at sports when they are high, smoking should be allowed in homes?

Think about this. A parent can literally smoke in the home that a new born baby lives in. Do you see a problem with this?

A child can develop lung cancer and never smoke, but the parents that smoke are not held responsible in any way legally. You think that is fair?

If it isn't legal for a child to smoke, it shouldn't be legal for a parent to smoke around the child, as it has basically the same effect.

You don't agree with me, I know this for a FACT. A parent is legally allowed to smoke in the same house that a 10 year old with asthma lives in. No problem with that?

A parent is allowed to smoke in a car with an 8 year old with asthma. No problem with that?



As for your personal experience of smoking having nothing to do with athletic performance. How can you prove that? Maybe some of these guys that played when they were high were still good. They could have been 100x better for all you know, if they played when they weren't stoned.

I know some people that can score 15 points with a hangover (I have seen it,) but there is no doubt in my mind that the same player could score 20 or 25 without one. Drugs do not help athletic performance. (Drugs, not steroids.)
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Re: Smoking?

Postby NDSportsFan » Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:19 pm

All those COOL guys who play stoned probably had parents who smoked in their homes when they were children. Great role models.
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Re: Smoking?

Postby balla45 » Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:28 pm

NDSportsFan wrote:All those COOL guys who play stoned probably had parents who smoked in their homes when they were children. Great role models.


Oh, I don't think there is anything cool about it, I'm just giving out some things I have seen. All of the more reason to ban smoking in homes with children if you ask me.
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Re: Smoking?

Postby Saucesauer » Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:36 am

I am sorry but this post is going to come as a shocker to all of you but are you aware life is not fair??? Wow thats a crazy thought huh? Life isnt fair to those people whose parents are alchoholics, smoke in front of them, those whose parents left them (willingly and unwillingly) its somthing you have to deal with it not cool but ohh well. Jordan I don't understand why this is such a big deal to you as of now because you can legally move out of your house and be on your own at 16. I have a good feeling that most parents who smoke in their house really dont care if their kids go outside or into a different room when they do smoke. Some people get the short end of the stick and with people complaing about this and thinking it is necessary to take a persons rights away is a prime example of when I always say america is getting way way to soft someone in the baseball thread said america is becoming marshmellows and that is exactly what all of you are becoming lifes a ****** deal with it!
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Re: Smoking?

Postby alexanderthegreat » Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:53 am

Saucesauer wrote:I am sorry but this post is going to come as a shocker to all of you but are you aware life is not fair??? Wow thats a crazy thought huh? Life isnt fair to those people whose parents are alchoholics, smoke in front of them, those whose parents left them (willingly and unwillingly) its somthing you have to deal with it not cool but ohh well. Jordan I don't understand why this is such a big deal to you as of now because you can legally move out of your house and be on your own at 16. I have a good feeling that most parents who smoke in their house really dont care if their kids go outside or into a different room when they do smoke. Some people get the short end of the stick and with people complaing about this and thinking it is necessary to take a persons rights away is a prime example of when I always say america is getting way way to soft someone in the baseball thread said america is becoming marshmellows and that is exactly what all of you are becoming lifes a ****** deal with it!


Obviously life isn't fair... nobody here is saying that it is or should be... what I was trying to say, is that something as harmful as smoking should be unlawful to do within the confines of your home or a car with children present... what can a child say to their parent who gives them no alternative but to breathe in second-hand smoke? They can't say anything... as for infringing on our rights as americans, how is it a parent's right to make their children breathe second-hand smoke?
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Re: Smoking?

Postby Saucesauer » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:14 am

alexanderthegreat wrote:
Saucesauer wrote:I am sorry but this post is going to come as a shocker to all of you but are you aware life is not fair??? Wow thats a crazy thought huh? Life isnt fair to those people whose parents are alchoholics, smoke in front of them, those whose parents left them (willingly and unwillingly) its somthing you have to deal with it not cool but ohh well. Jordan I don't understand why this is such a big deal to you as of now because you can legally move out of your house and be on your own at 16. I have a good feeling that most parents who smoke in their house really dont care if their kids go outside or into a different room when they do smoke. Some people get the short end of the stick and with people complaing about this and thinking it is necessary to take a persons rights away is a prime example of when I always say america is getting way way to soft someone in the baseball thread said america is becoming marshmellows and that is exactly what all of you are becoming lifes a ****** deal with it!


Obviously life isn't fair... nobody here is saying that it is or should be... what I was trying to say, is that something as harmful as smoking should be unlawful to do within the confines of your home or a car with children present... what can a child say to their parent who gives them no alternative but to breathe in second-hand smoke? They can't say anything... as for infringing on our rights as americans, how is it a parent's right to make their children breathe second-hand smoke?


It doesn't matter, according to my government teacher a child has no rights until they break (move out/leave) from their parents. If you take away a persons right to smoke in thier own home or car that violates the bill of rights which is every american older than 18's rights! Now if you want to blatently disregard that why are you living here in the first place??? This is why its great to be a american because you have basic freedoms but its people like you that makes america bad because you basically want what best for everyone and that is why I voted McCain because I like america to be a free country not socialist but hey thanks, I hope your really rich because I am not and you will be basically giving half of your hard earned junk to me because I am lazy and havnt worked a hard day in my life and now everything is going to be handed to me!
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Re: Smoking?

Postby alexanderthegreat » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:24 am

Wow... so I a) voted for McCain b) am not rich (I wish) and c) work my butt off so i can go to college... it's amazing that you thought all of those things just because i think it's wrong when parents smoke around their kids... and isn't that kind of what should happen? get whats best for the majority? we can't exactly cater to the needs of the minority, that would be backwards... well, i spose i should get back to making america bad... haha
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Re: Smoking?

Postby Saucesauer » Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:12 am

alexanderthegreat wrote:Wow... so I a) voted for McCain b) am not rich (I wish) and c) work my butt off so i can go to college... it's amazing that you thought all of those things just because i think it's wrong when parents smoke around their kids... and isn't that kind of what should happen? get whats best for the majority? we can't exactly cater to the needs of the minority, that would be backwards... well, i spose i should get back to making america bad... haha


If america has a chance to serve a minority or a majority it sure seems they serve the first, I was just relating the most extreme comparison that one could make. All I am saying is quit tring to help the world when everyone has their own problems to deal with whose right is it for someone to say what someone can and cant do especially when the one saying you cant probley has more skeltons in the closet than the smoker in his own house.
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Re: Smoking?

Postby baseball18 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:17 am

Ok first of all if they go ban smoking in your home with children in it, how are they going to regulate it? How are the feds going to know that you won't smoke in your home with children in it? Secondly, if people can't smoke in their homes where the heck else are they going to smoke? Might as well ban smoking altogether, how would that make you feel? A lot of places (esp. California) have already pretty much banned it everywhere... if you can't smoke in your home where can you smoke then? I believe in the right ti private property which is guaranteed in the 5th amendment and the gov't has no right to tell me what to do in my private home. I am personally against smoking, but I won't go as far as to propose my will on other people, I respect mine and others' liberties. We all know what smoking does to us, but the second hand smoke nonsense is overblown. Yes, it can be harmful but is it right to risk someones freedom to help another?

With that we need to put more personal responsibility on people, the gov't shouldn't tell us what's right or wrong. Don't get me wrong, I am against smoking and think it is irresponsible if parents smoke in front of their children, but nobody has a right to responsible parents either... I think I'm more threatened by politicans and the gov't than cigarettes!
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Re: Smoking?

Postby balla45 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:20 am

K, Sauce you really need to get a clue. Parents who have left their children willingly...Do you know anything about me at all? This has to be the most ridiculously annoying thing any person has ever said to me. You want to talk about parents bailing on you...Get a clue son...

Quit trying to help the world when everyone has their own problems. Really?

Lets hear about these skeletons in my close. I really can't wait. You have never met me and know nothing about me, so tell me about the skeletons in my closet. This is already shown with your completely stupid comment about parents bailing on their children. You honestly have no idea what that is like. Don't say you do until you have experienced it. You need to get a clue.

This might help you out. My name is "Jordan Maurer," not Josh Maurer.
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Re: Smoking?

Postby Saucesauer » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:44 am

balla45 wrote:K, Sauce you really need to get a clue. Parents who have left their children willingly...Do you know anything about me at all? This has to be the most ridiculously annoying thing any person has ever said to me. You want to talk about parents bailing on you...Get a clue son...

Quit trying to help the world when everyone has their own problems. Really?

Lets hear about these skeletons in my close. I really can't wait. You have never met me and know nothing about me, so tell me about the skeletons in my closet. This is already shown with your completely stupid comment about parents bailing on their children. You honestly have no idea what that is like. Don't say you do until you have experienced it. You need to get a clue.

This might help you out. My name is "Jordan Maurer," not Josh Maurer.


Jordan, that was not directed at you by any means! That was a generalization, the part that was directed at you was you CAN move out now you are old enough to. EVERYONE has skeltons in their closet that again was another generalization! Your right I don't know you and I am giving my opinions on this topic through generalizations the ONLY thing I have said directed at you in this is you can move out. If a persons parents are smoking in front of them they have legs and know where a door that leads to fresh air is.
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Re: Smoking?

Postby balla45 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:59 pm

I'm actually not 18. Legally, I'm not allowed to move out. It would be illegal for me to run away from home, and it would be very questionable if my parents are allowed to kick me out.
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Re: Smoking?

Postby balla45 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:03 pm

Also, Sauce, where in the Bill Of Rights, or the Constitution, does it state that the rules only apply when a person reaches the age of 18?

If I were to appear in court, I, being a minor, have the same rights as you do, as an adult.
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Re: Smoking?

Postby Ming01 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:57 pm

I agree with baseball18, why should somebody have to risk their freedom to help another? It's not right... The government has no business what people do inside their homes
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Re: Smoking?

Postby NDSportsFan » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:16 pm

I would not be surprised to see laws passed soon regarding smoking in cars with infants, or small children who are vulnerable. California has already passed a law regarding this. As far as homes go, it would probably be too difficult to determine whether children where being endangered or not, I wouldn't imagine any laws would be passed there.
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Re: Smoking?

Postby Saucesauer » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:07 pm

balla45 wrote:I'm actually not 18. Legally, I'm not allowed to move out. It would be illegal for me to run away from home, and it would be very questionable if my parents are allowed to kick me out.


See Jordan there is this thing in America called Emancipation which means a person can legally move out and live on their own at the age of 16, I am suprised you didn't know this. And you still have legs...the baby in a car debate I feel is useless too Its not a big deal if the window is down and 1 vent is blowing out. However if a parent is smoking with no windows down that is mean but its still their right.
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Re: Smoking?

Postby balla45 » Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:07 am

Ming01 wrote:I agree with baseball18, why should somebody have to risk their freedom to help another? It's not right... The government has no business what people do inside their homes


Actually, they do.

Think about the Patriot Act and such. Whether we like it or not, our government is very powerful.

Also, which freedom is more important, the right to smoke, or the right to breathe clean air?

As my history teacher once said, "my freedom ends at your nose." He is saying that he has freedom until it infringes on another person's rights. Which one is more important?
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Re: Smoking?

Postby balla45 » Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:09 am

Saucesauer wrote:
balla45 wrote:I'm actually not 18. Legally, I'm not allowed to move out. It would be illegal for me to run away from home, and it would be very questionable if my parents are allowed to kick me out.


See Jordan there is this thing in America called Emancipation which means a person can legally move out and live on their own at the age of 16, I am suprised you didn't know this. And you still have legs...the baby in a car debate I feel is useless too Its not a big deal if the window is down and 1 vent is blowing out. However if a parent is smoking with no windows down that is mean but its still their right.


Hmm...You may be right.

I am surprised you don't know that the smoke doesn't just go out the window. That isn't how physics works. The smoke is constantly dispersed into the air. It doesn't just magically fly out the window.
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