Preseason Thoughts

Preseason Thoughts

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:25 am

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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:27 am

Boys State Preseason Predictions (IMO)

1. Bismarck (#25 in Nation)

2. GF Central
3. West Fargo

4. Minot
5. Williston
6. Dickinson
7. Fargo Shanley/Oak Grove
8. Century
9. Fargo Davies
10. Fargo North
11. GF Red River
12. Mandan

13. Jamestown
14. Devils Lake
15. Fargo South

16. TMCHS
17. Valley City
18. Wahpeton
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:28 am

Girls State Preseason Predictions (IMO)

1. Fargo Davies


2. Bismarck
3. Fargo North
4. West Fargo
5. Century
6. Fargo South
7. Dickinson
8. Fargo Shanley/Oak Grove
9. Valley City
10. Minot

11. Mandan
12. Jamestown

13. GF Red River
14. GF Central

15. Williston
16. Wahpeton
17. Devils Lake

18. TMCHS
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:34 am

Boys State Individually (Top 20)

1. Jake Leingang, Bismarck
2. Austin Todd, Bismarck
3. Chris Chamberlin, Williston
4. Brennan Goldade, Williston
5. Branden Scheel, Davies
6. Paul Shafer, GF Central
7. Tom Fisher, GF Central
8. Waha Sem, Fargo North
9. Cody Humann, Bismarck
10. Vlad Kutka, Dickinson
11. Karl Joyner, Minot
12. Lane Kashur, Bismarck
13. Cataldo DiDonna, Century
14. Brandon Berg, Bismarck
15. Darin Baltezore, West Fargo
16. Tom Startz, Shanley/OG
17. Anjelo Shepherd, West Fargo
18. Tyler Pederson, Shanley/OG
19. Justin Gersewski, GF Central
20. Caleb Albertson, Minot
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:36 am

Girls State Individually (Top 20)

1. Tarin Lachowitzer, Davies
2. Alison Allmer, Jamestown
3. Katie Bye, Davies
4. Jordan Jacob, Century
5. Whitney Schatz, Dickinson
6. Alex Backlund, Shanley/OG
7. (more to come...)
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby revitalize » Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:04 pm

Run4Fun2009 wrote:Boys State Individually (Top 20)

1. Jake Leingang, Bismarck
2. Austin Todd, Bismarck
3. Chris Chamberlin, Williston
4. Brennan Goldade, Williston
5. Branden Scheel, Davies
6. Paul Shafer, GF Central
7. Tom Fisher, GF Central
8. Waha Sem, Fargo North
9. Cody Humann, Bismarck
10. Vlad Kutka, Dickinson
11. Karl Joyner, Minot
12. Lane Kashur, Bismarck
13. Cataldo DiDonna, Century
14. Brandon Berg, Bismarck
15. Darin Baltezore, West Fargo
16. Tom Startz, Shanley/OG
17. Anjelo Shepherd, West Fargo
18. Tyler Pederson, Shanley/OG
19. Justin Gersewski, GF Central
20. Caleb Albertson, Minot

Scheel over Shafer? Pederson, Startz and Baltezore in the top 20 over Gerszewski? No way. Seriously, when is the last time Scheel has beat Shafer? Paul ran low 4:20s this spring and Scheel didn't go to State.
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:31 pm

revitalize wrote:
Run4Fun2009 wrote:Boys State Individually (Top 20)

1. Jake Leingang, Bismarck
2. Austin Todd, Bismarck
3. Chris Chamberlin, Williston
4. Brennan Goldade, Williston
5. Branden Scheel, Davies
6. Paul Shafer, GF Central
7. Tom Fisher, GF Central
8. Waha Sem, Fargo North
9. Cody Humann, Bismarck
10. Vlad Kutka, Dickinson
11. Karl Joyner, Minot
12. Lane Kashur, Bismarck
13. Cataldo DiDonna, Century
14. Brandon Berg, Bismarck
15. Darin Baltezore, West Fargo
16. Tom Startz, Shanley/OG
17. Anjelo Shepherd, West Fargo
18. Tyler Pederson, Shanley/OG
19. Justin Gersewski, GF Central
20. Caleb Albertson, Minot

Scheel over Shafer? Pederson, Startz and Baltezore in the top 20 over Gerszewski? No way. Seriously, when is the last time Scheel has beat Shafer? Paul ran low 4:20s this spring and Scheel didn't go to State.


A 5K is WAY different than the 1600 Meter Run! Scheel placed 11th at State XC last year...Shafer finished 23rd.

Also most of these are straight from how they ran at State last year (that's why its a PRESEASON list)...with a few exceptions (runners moving up a spot or two). You need to get your mind away from how kids performed during track.
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby Flip » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:03 pm

Class B girls team and individual predictions?
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:54 pm

Flip wrote:Class B girls team and individual predictions?


Individual (Top 10)
1. Chandra Yankton, Rugby
2. Alexis Woods, Parshall
3. Sydney Kraft, Rugby
4. Skye Schaper, Killdeer
5. Lauren Christenson, Rugby
6. Symbria Bell, New Town
7. Tasha Heisler, Velva
8. Brooklyn Zink, Hillsboro
9. Keisha Schock, Washburn/Wilton
10. Kennedy Rude, Langdon Area

Team (Top 5)
1. Rugby
2. Killdeer
3. Velva
4. Parshall
5. Watford City or Grafton
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby revitalize » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:01 pm

Run4Fun2009 wrote: You need to get your mind away from how kids performed during track.

why would i do that? its a huge determining factor of who is actually performing well as of late, not as of 9 months ago based on a single race.
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:02 pm

Class B Boys

Individual (Top 10)
1. Ken Wells, Parshall
2. Clyde Baker, New Town
3. Erik Wangler, Rugby
4. Donovan Lambert, New Town
5. Kyle Volk, Rugby
6. Hayes Feilmeier, Watford City
7. Bridger Belzer, North Star
8. Lincoln Larson, North Star
9. William Stevens, New Town
10. Nic Lundquist, Grafton

Team (Top 5)
1. Rugby
2. New Town
3. Beulah/Hazen
4. Grafton
5. Lisbon
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:03 pm

revitalize wrote:
Run4Fun2009 wrote: You need to get your mind away from how kids performed during track.

why would i do that? its a huge determining factor of who is actually performing well as of late, not as of 9 months ago based on a single race.


I also based my exceptions from what I've heard from realiable sources on what kids have been doing all summer. Since you seem to have issues with my predictions...let's see yours...
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby Flip » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:36 pm

I know little about XC, how are meets scored?
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:00 pm

Flip wrote:I know little about XC, how are meets scored?


Top 5 runners for each team are scored. Scores are done by adding up the Top 5 runners places (1st = 1 point, 2nd = 2 points, etc.). 6th runner's place is used for tiebreakers. Its pretty simple.
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby XCcoach » Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:50 pm

Run4Fun2009 wrote:
revitalize wrote:
Run4Fun2009 wrote:Boys State Individually (Top 20)

1. Jake Leingang, Bismarck
2. Austin Todd, Bismarck
3. Chris Chamberlin, Williston
4. Brennan Goldade, Williston
5. Branden Scheel, Davies
6. Paul Shafer, GF Central
7. Tom Fisher, GF Central
8. Waha Sem, Fargo North
9. Cody Humann, Bismarck
10. Vlad Kutka, Dickinson
11. Karl Joyner, Minot
12. Lane Kashur, Bismarck
13. Cataldo DiDonna, Century
14. Brandon Berg, Bismarck
15. Darin Baltezore, West Fargo
16. Tom Startz, Shanley/OG
17. Anjelo Shepherd, West Fargo
18. Tyler Pederson, Shanley/OG
19. Justin Gersewski, GF Central
20. Caleb Albertson, Minot

Scheel over Shafer? Pederson, Startz and Baltezore in the top 20 over Gerszewski? No way. Seriously, when is the last time Scheel has beat Shafer? Paul ran low 4:20s this spring and Scheel didn't go to State.


A 5K is WAY different than the 1600 Meter Run! Scheel placed 11th at State XC last year...Shafer finished 23rd.

Also most of these are straight from how they ran at State last year (that's why its a PRESEASON list)...with a few exceptions (runners moving up a spot or two). You need to get your mind away from how kids performed during track.



You do realize Mr. Shafer took second place at EDC before imploding at state right?
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:54 pm

XCcoach wrote:
Run4Fun2009 wrote:
revitalize wrote:
Run4Fun2009 wrote:Boys State Individually (Top 20)

1. Jake Leingang, Bismarck
2. Austin Todd, Bismarck
3. Chris Chamberlin, Williston
4. Brennan Goldade, Williston
5. Branden Scheel, Davies
6. Paul Shafer, GF Central
7. Tom Fisher, GF Central
8. Waha Sem, Fargo North
9. Cody Humann, Bismarck
10. Vlad Kutka, Dickinson
11. Karl Joyner, Minot
12. Lane Kashur, Bismarck
13. Cataldo DiDonna, Century
14. Brandon Berg, Bismarck
15. Darin Baltezore, West Fargo
16. Tom Startz, Shanley/OG
17. Anjelo Shepherd, West Fargo
18. Tyler Pederson, Shanley/OG
19. Justin Gersewski, GF Central
20. Caleb Albertson, Minot

Scheel over Shafer? Pederson, Startz and Baltezore in the top 20 over Gerszewski? No way. Seriously, when is the last time Scheel has beat Shafer? Paul ran low 4:20s this spring and Scheel didn't go to State.


A 5K is WAY different than the 1600 Meter Run! Scheel placed 11th at State XC last year...Shafer finished 23rd.

Also most of these are straight from how they ran at State last year (that's why its a PRESEASON list)...with a few exceptions (runners moving up a spot or two). You need to get your mind away from how kids performed during track.


You do realize Mr. Shafer took second place at EDC before imploding at state right?


Well I hope he proves my PRESEASON list wrong...lots of things will change from this list (especially after the first two weeks of the season).

I'll be keeping an eye on how each team/runner performs so I'll continue to post things within this forum for us to debate (or maybe even agree on :?: ) as the season progresses.
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby Flip » Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:13 pm

XCcoach wrote:You do realize Mr. Shafer took second place at EDC before imploding at state right?

This would be reason to put him lower, not higher.
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby revitalize » Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:15 pm

Flip wrote:
XCcoach wrote:You do realize Mr. Shafer took second place at EDC before imploding at state right?

This would be reason to put him lower, not higher.

As you said earlier, you do not know much about cross country. Well one of the things about cross country is that people have bad races. Its just a common occurence. So no, it really doesn't mean he should be put lower at all. It simply means he had a bad race.
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby prariedog » Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:13 am

I would include Preston Lerew (soph-Bismarck High) Last year as a freshman
13th State XC and at state Track 8th 1600/7th 3200. He'll be in the mix.
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby Run4Fun2009 » Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:51 am

prariedog wrote:I would include Preston Lerew (soph-Bismarck High) Last year as a freshman
13th State XC and at state Track 8th 1600/7th 3200. He'll be in the mix.


I think I had him ranked 21st...but I agree he could move up
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby Flip » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:41 am

revitalize wrote:As you said earlier, you do not know much about cross country. Well one of the things about cross country is that people have bad races. Its just a common occurence. So no, it really doesn't mean he should be put lower at all. It simply means he had a bad race.

My statement had little to do with XC or track, but sports in general. If you collapse under pressure in one sport, you are more likely to do so in another.
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby theman » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:04 pm

One thing to remember about freshmen and sophomores at Bismarck that do really well is that they are training so hard and have done so well that there isn't much more time to drop. They will not run way faster than they did their breakout year. You can move runners from other teams up quite a bit, but not as much with the Bismarck kids.
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Re: Preseason Thoughts

Postby revitalize » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:28 pm

Run4Fun2009 wrote:Boys State Individually (Top 20)

1. Jake Leingang, Bismarck
2. Austin Todd, Bismarck
3. Chris Chamberlin, Williston
4. Brennan Goldade, Williston
5. Branden Scheel, Davies
6. Paul Shafer, GF Central
7. Tom Fisher, GF Central
8. Waha Sem, Fargo North
9. Cody Humann, Bismarck
10. Vlad Kutka, Dickinson
11. Karl Joyner, Minot
12. Lane Kashur, Bismarck
13. Cataldo DiDonna, Century
14. Brandon Berg, Bismarck
15. Darin Baltezore, West Fargo
16. Tom Startz, Shanley/OG
17. Anjelo Shepherd, West Fargo
18. Tyler Pederson, Shanley/OG
19. Justin Gersewski, GF Central
20. Caleb Albertson, Minot

You were right, Scheel looks good.
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