that guy wrote:There are 409 runners between girls and boys in class b regional at Cooperstown Sat. registered to run. That is a good number more that I thought would be running.
WDA_fan wrote:that guy wrote:There are 409 runners between girls and boys in class b regional at Cooperstown Sat. registered to run. That is a good number more that I thought would be running.
Is that 409 Varsity runners?
XCguy wrote:WDA_fan wrote:that guy wrote:There are 409 runners between girls and boys in class b regional at Cooperstown Sat. registered to run. That is a good number more that I thought would be running.
Is that 409 Varsity runners?
I'm pretty sure they only run Varsity races in that region. Frankly, it makes sense. I don't really understand running JV races at this point of the year (especially in Class B where nobody really has a "JV").
XCguy wrote:WDA_fan wrote:that guy wrote:There are 409 runners between girls and boys in class b regional at Cooperstown Sat. registered to run. That is a good number more that I thought would be running.
Is that 409 Varsity runners?
I'm pretty sure they only run Varsity races in that region. Frankly, it makes sense. I don't really understand running JV races at this point of the year (especially in Class B where nobody really has a "JV").
theman wrote:XCguy wrote:WDA_fan wrote:that guy wrote:There are 409 runners between girls and boys in class b regional at Cooperstown Sat. registered to run. That is a good number more that I thought would be running.
Is that 409 Varsity runners?
I'm pretty sure they only run Varsity races in that region. Frankly, it makes sense. I don't really understand running JV races at this point of the year (especially in Class B where nobody really has a "JV").
I dunno, maybe to avoid having 200 runners in each varsity race?
XCguy wrote:theman wrote:XCguy wrote:WDA_fan wrote:that guy wrote:There are 409 runners between girls and boys in class b regional at Cooperstown Sat. registered to run. That is a good number more that I thought would be running.
Is that 409 Varsity runners?
I'm pretty sure they only run Varsity races in that region. Frankly, it makes sense. I don't really understand running JV races at this point of the year (especially in Class B where nobody really has a "JV").
I dunno, maybe to avoid having 200 runners in each varsity race?
Ya, it's terrible how it's congested for the first 5 seconds of a race.
Beyond that, I was talking more so about why the smaller regions would need JV races. You think it's necessary to split up the 103 West girls in to two races? I don't. JMO though.
XCguy wrote:That reason I can understand to an extent … although, decades ago, we used to cut off the junior high season the week before regionals so the varsity could focus on the 5k postseason. I understand both ways. Another meet, especially after a rough-weather season, can't hurt the young kids. I will never be convinced of the other "congestion" issue though. There are marathons with 50k+ runners. A well-laid-out XC course should be congested for a matter of seconds.
theman wrote:XCguy wrote:That reason I can understand to an extent … although, decades ago, we used to cut off the junior high season the week before regionals so the varsity could focus on the 5k postseason. I understand both ways. Another meet, especially after a rough-weather season, can't hurt the young kids. I will never be convinced of the other "congestion" issue though. There are marathons with 50k+ runners. A well-laid-out XC course should be congested for a matter of seconds.
You're comparing major marathons to small-town XC 5ks on 9-hole golf courses? Woof. Finding places to start a race with 200 runners that doesn't bottleneck them in the first 100 meters, especially in this state, is quite hard.
XCguy wrote:theman wrote:XCguy wrote:That reason I can understand to an extent … although, decades ago, we used to cut off the junior high season the week before regionals so the varsity could focus on the 5k postseason. I understand both ways. Another meet, especially after a rough-weather season, can't hurt the young kids. I will never be convinced of the other "congestion" issue though. There are marathons with 50k+ runners. A well-laid-out XC course should be congested for a matter of seconds.
You're comparing major marathons to small-town XC 5ks on 9-hole golf courses? Woof. Finding places to start a race with 200 runners that doesn't bottleneck them in the first 100 meters, especially in this state, is quite hard.
Nope, not comparing the two. Simply stating that if a major marathon can start on the width of a typical city street, then I think a high school cross country meet on a course the size of Killdeer can start 100 or so kids. The "bottleneck" theory is mute unless all the kids are the same approximate speed which is CLEARLY not the case. Medicine Hole is plenty wide to host a single race that size. If they choose to do so for competitive reasons, so be it, but the congestion issue is a poor rationale here. Again, my opinion. I'm sure I won't change yours and you won't change mine. That's what makes the discussions fun.
Run4Fun2009 wrote:XCguy wrote:theman wrote:XCguy wrote:That reason I can understand to an extent … although, decades ago, we used to cut off the junior high season the week before regionals so the varsity could focus on the 5k postseason. I understand both ways. Another meet, especially after a rough-weather season, can't hurt the young kids. I will never be convinced of the other "congestion" issue though. There are marathons with 50k+ runners. A well-laid-out XC course should be congested for a matter of seconds.
You're comparing major marathons to small-town XC 5ks on 9-hole golf courses? Woof. Finding places to start a race with 200 runners that doesn't bottleneck them in the first 100 meters, especially in this state, is quite hard.
Nope, not comparing the two. Simply stating that if a major marathon can start on the width of a typical city street, then I think a high school cross country meet on a course the size of Killdeer can start 100 or so kids. The "bottleneck" theory is mute unless all the kids are the same approximate speed which is CLEARLY not the case. Medicine Hole is plenty wide to host a single race that size. If they choose to do so for competitive reasons, so be it, but the congestion issue is a poor rationale here. Again, my opinion. I'm sure I won't change yours and you won't change mine. That's what makes the discussions fun.
But a marathon has chip timing that allows for people who start near the back of that city street to not start their time until they cross the starting line. Cross Country doesn't afford that opportunity plus if a meet is run correctly with the specific starting boxes being 4-6 feet wide...that doesn't always make for an easy start; I see the pros & cons to each side of the 'argument/discussion' though.
Most courses should be able to handle a large start. Some people/sites know what they are doing...others do not!
theman wrote:Best example I can think of is the u of nebraska. Nice, big wide course, but with 400 runners on the start lines, we were shoved in pretty tight. It's part of the fun of racing xc sometimes!
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